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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    I know I had some murderous thoughts towards my stepfather when I was young. He was a real asshole. Now he's 84 and we get along just fine...

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    One of the news sites, I think the one I linked but I'm not sure, explained that it was the 11 year old's own gun, a smaller shotgun made for kids, that he would often shoot with his dad on their land.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    One of the news sites, I think the one I linked but I'm not sure, explained that it was the 11 year old's own gun, a smaller shotgun made for kids, that he would often shoot with his dad on their land.
    Oh, so the Dad bought his unstable kid his own gun, and gave him unlimited access to it, that makes it all okay...

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No it wouldn't. All it would tell him is that if he shoots someone again then he'll just get imprisoned again.

    And this is when you tell me, "Well, that's why we put murderers to death for killing other people so they won't pursue that behavior again and kill again."

    To which I will retort, "That may be the case, but 1) if we treated him properly for the first murder he likely would not have done the second and 2) your solution doesn't work for less severe crimes, such as professional burglary. If all we do is punish burglars for stealing things then all they'll do is steal things with the expectation of getting imprisoned. However, if we find the root cause of why they steal, which is likely because they are uneducated, unskilled, or feel they don't have any promising job opportunities, treat that, help them get educated, help them get job skills, and offer them fair and gainful employment then we take away their reasoning for further pursuing future criminal behavior."
    Am I the only one who has little or no interest in trying to redeem this kid? Should he be convicted, I'd be more interested in removing the threat he poses. I am not advocating the death penalty for minors or for anyone. Life imprisonment would be just fine.

    As for less severe crimes, I see no reason why a man shouldn't go to jail over and over for the rest of his life if he doesn't stop stealing. He knows the consequence of the action and he continues to engage in it; that is his prerogative. It is also his prerogative to do what he can to better himself if he has any desire to break the cycle. It's probably not easy, but it's certainly not impossible.

    It is not, nor should it be, in my opinion, the responsibility of the criminal justice system to rehabilitate, or the responsibility of society (read: the government) to prevent people from committing crimes by providing them with complimentary education, skills and employment. Anyone who wants those things can go and get them on his own, and anyone who wants to be a jerk can be a jerk.

    Am I over simplifying?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Oh, so the Dad bought his unstable kid his own gun, and gave him unlimited access to it, that makes it all okay...
    Did I say it was okay?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I have no problem with a children's wing in a prison as long as it is actually like a prison.
    Me neither. They defintely need to be locked up somewhere. But once they are locked up they have to pass the time somehow. Which is why I think some kind of education system should be put in place.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Forget the 11 year olds. Just hold them until they are older, and retry them as adults, if you want to kill them. All I want is to remove kids who are killers from the streets.
    I'm not too keen on the idea of a retrial when they reach adulthood either. The person we are at 11 is not the person we are at 18. It's like dealing with two completely different people.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Here's the case: FOXNews.com - Adult Trial for Boy in Death of Pa. Woman, Fetus

    They are trying this boy as an adult. If you go to the article, you'll see a photo of the boy.

    An 11 year old is very young. At 11 most kids haven't even started puberty. How can a child that young be considered an adult? Is this kid any more unreformable than many young thugs? What he allegedly did was horrible, but he is not anywhere near adulthood.
    as liberal as i am, i believe yes, some children should be tried as adults. sociopathy is not curable.

    i don't know about the circumstances with this particular boy.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as liberal as i am, i believe yes, some children should be tried as adults. sociopathy is not curable.

    i don't know about the circumstances with this particular boy.
    I think it's a little difficult to pin "sociopathy" on this particular kid though. Definitely disturbed and definitely didn't have any concept of how his action could be permanent. But I think those might be some anger management and latent rage type things stemming from his home life, if anything.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think it's a little difficult to pin "sociopathy" on this particular kid though. Definitely disturbed and definitely didn't have any concept of how his action could be permanent. But I think those might be some anger management and latent rage type things stemming from his home life, if anything.
    I agree with you except, yes, an 11 year old knows death is permanent. I knew that at 5 as I recall.

    But this boy was deeply disturbed and had inner rage that he was unable to control. Add to that access to a loaded weapon and, there you have it.

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