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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    His parents, if any, should be punished as adults.
    When I was around that age, I could have done the same as that boy. I remember a gun lieing about - for me to play with..
    He and I could have been born with anger management problems - as a guess, or they could be environmentally developed.
    This is a reflection on the parents...Safeguards were not taken, and the child may have been disturbed..

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Here's the case: FOXNews.com - Adult Trial for Boy in Death of Pa. Woman, Fetus

    They are trying this boy as an adult. If you go to the article, you'll see a photo of the boy.

    An 11 year old is very young. At 11 most kids haven't even started puberty. How can a child that young be considered an adult? Is this kid any more unreformable than many young thugs? What he allegedly did was horrible, but he is not anywhere near adulthood.
    No, I'm with Ikari on this one. We have a differentiation in how minors are treated versus how adults are treated for a reason. Actually, several reasons.

    • There is an expectation that the adults in the child's life are more responsible for the child's behavior than the child, itself is responsible for.
    • There is an expectation that children are not mature enough to understand the far reaching ramifications of their actions.
    • Even when a child knows right from wrong, there is still an understanding that they have no concept of varying degrees of right and wrong, especially over crimes that result in permanent injury.
    • Which leads me to the next point; a child does not understand permanence.
    • A child has a certain blurred line between reality and make believe. Yes, even at 11 years old.
    • The brain of a child is not developed in areas that govern impulse and emotion control.
    • The law doesn't grant certain rights and privileges to children because children cannot handle those rights responsibly, which is exactly why they are treated differently when they are responsible for a crime.


    There's no reason to treat a child like an adult in the criminal court system just because your emotional response is to abhor the crime due to its severity.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    My solution is that he should get severe psychological treatment to see if he can be socialized to be a productive and non-harmful member of society. If he can't be, then he should be secured in a place that is far less violent that prisons are.
    This seems reasonable.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    While I'm glad to see everyone accepting the premise that the death of a fetus is a crime, I'm left wondering why the father hasn't been charged for leaving his shot gun accessible to a minor.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I bet if he had sex with an 18 year old they wouldnt treat him as an adult.
    In prison he very like will.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    In prison he very like will.
    That's just sick.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    While I'm glad to see everyone accepting the premise that the death of a fetus is a crime, I'm left wondering why the father hasn't been charged for leaving his shot gun accessible to a minor.
    Excellent point, Jerry! I very much agree.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Excellent point, Jerry! I very much agree.
    Well, you know, even if they think out a crime, children aren't developed enough to have a cold criminal mind. They're to emotionally and physiologically immature...which is exactly why we have laws against minors owning firearms...they tend to do stupid **** like kill their pregnant step-mothers to-be. I would bet that in his mind he was just trying to stop the further destruction of his family, the woman steeling the only parent we know is in his life, and from being replaced altogether by a new sibling. It's a child's rationality which inspired him to act, not an adult's.

    IMO the kid should be tried as a minor, and the father should be charged with homicide.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-29-10 at 11:47 PM.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    We haven't talked much about the parents of the boy, or his situation. From the looks of him in the photo he does appear to be a thuggish, disturbed troublemaker. I imagine that this was not his first act of violence. He obviously came from a disrupted family situation and was disturbed by his stepmother and her unborn child.

    His father was extremely negligient and totally irresponsible leaving a shotgun within this disturbed boy's reach.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well, you know, even if they think out a crime, children aren't developed enough to have a cold criminal mind. They're to emotionally and physiologically immature...which is exactly why we have laws against minors owning firearms...they tend to do stupid **** like kill their pregnant step-mothers to-be. I would bet that in his mind he was just trying to stop the further destruction of his family, the woman steeling the only parent we know is in his life, and from being replaced altogether by a new sibling. It's a child's rationality which inspired him to act, not an adult's.

    IMO the kid should be tried as a minor, and the father should be charged with homicide.
    Once again, kudos. You are entirely correct. If he hadn't had access to a loaded weapon, he wouldn't have been able to act on his impulse to kill his stepmother to be.

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