View Poll Results: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It's no joke! At home, my eyes start to glaze as soon as the word "Muslim" is mentioned. At the hour point, a try to come up with an excuse to leave.

    I appreciate your effort. I didn't want you to think I was accusing you of rambling, because your posts make perfect sense. It's just my first reponse is to move on to another thread when I see a response that's half a page long and I'm enjoying this debate.




    That was just sloppy word choice on my part. I apologize. I fully believe that there are a large number of children under the age of 16 who can drive responsibly. As I've previously mentioned, I have a 13 year-old brother who I adore to no end. He won't accept anything other than straight As, has sent away for a chemistry set so he can finish high school early and has already started brushing up his "resume" so he can attend MIT. I would trust him behind the wheel of a car more than many of the 16 year-old yahoos out there.

    However, I do believe the number of kids under 16 that are capable of driving is so small that it wouldn't be worth the price of opening the driving test to all ages.
    Ah, I see, we are just missing each other a little here. Probably my fault for focusing so much on the driving test itself instead of the assumption of competency incompetency.

    I'm not asking for universal exceptions. I would still lean towards limiting, in most cases, the ability to take the test to those who are 16.

    But in rare cases, where the child in question shows that they may have competency enough to warrant being made the exception, they should be made such.

    This would mean someone like your brother may be allowed to take said test, but someone who was like I was at 13 would never be allowed to take the test.

    The exceptions wouldn't be for everyone, just those that show they have the competence to warrant an exception.


    The parents are indpendent in the sense that they are an outside party passing a judgement on the maturity of the child and assigning them responsibility based off of the child's perceived ability to cope with the consequences of their actions.
    this would only be true if the parents were making the decision to let their child drink based on their perceptions of the child's maturity. The law doesn't make that a requirement. They could be letting the kid drink simply because they are bad parents.


    I'm not inherently opposed to what you suggest. I certainly agree that the drinking age should be lowered to 18 and not just if you are married. I do disagree with you that it would be feasible to establish such a system, but at that point it's just nitpicking.
    I agree that it should be lowered to 18, but I think in special cases it should even go lowered.

    I would say that when the kid displays obvious competency (such as getting into MIT at 13) they should be considered an exception to the rule.

    It's just a matter of clearly defining the parameters for competency.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post


    Ah, I see, we are just missing each other a little here. Probably my fault for focusing so much on the driving test itself instead of the assumption of competency incompetency.

    ...

    I would say that when the kid displays obvious competency (such as getting into MIT at 13) they should be considered an exception to the rule.

    It's just a matter of clearly defining the parameters for competency.
    Huh. Well aight, works for me. I don't see anything that I disagree with.

    Oh except my brother probably can't reach the pedals and see over the wheel at the same time. So you know...maybe 16 is still practical unless you have a custom car!
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    But wouldn't that only apply if we were talking about British Law, or German law, or some other national legal code? Doesn't international law apply to every country?
    In theory. But just because a majority of nations get together and say one thing does not transcend into independent nations. If you have the US and EU behind it, it means something, if you have the US, China, Russia or the EU opposing it, it means nothing.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Oh except my brother probably can't reach the pedals and see over the wheel at the same time. So you know...maybe 16 is still practical unless you have a custom car!
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Midget mobile?
    Still talking about driving when this poor kids life is on the line! My gosh!

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Still talking about driving when this poor kids life is on the line! My gosh!
    His life is on the line regardless of what we say here. I don't expect to change the world any time this week.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    His life is on the line regardless of what we say here. I don't expect to change the world any time this week.
    You mean what we decide here doesn't change anything?! Drats. Guess I'll just cross "change the world" off my to do list.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    His life is on the line regardless of what we say here. I don't expect to change the world any time this week.
    Do you expect to change the world next week then?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Do you expect to change the world next week then?
    Sure, but that's only because next week I'm going to introduce my latest invention to the world. (I'll let you in on the secret early: It's the previously mentioned midget mobile)
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