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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Yes, of course. Who else is going to pay for it? What else do you suggest? The death penalty for pre-teens?
    It seems like an extremely expensive solution is all I'm saying...creating a parallel sort of fantasy world apart from (and yet wholly dependent on) society.

    I would say in this case, send the little dweeb to prison for a few decades. He is a child, but he is not innocent and clearly he is not safe.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    A society that has murderers who are minors.
    We don't put them to death regardless of that fact. In fact, I don't think any country that still has the death penalty executes children this young. Why do you think that is? The chances of the death penalty age ever being lowered to 11 or younger are extremely unlikely.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    It seems like an extremely expensive solution is all I'm saying...creating a parallel sort of fantasy world apart from (and yet wholly dependent on) society.

    I would say in this case, send the little dweeb to prison for a few decades. He is a child, but he is not innocent and clearly he is not safe.
    They can go to a regular prison when they're older. How about a separate wing in a maximum security prison? It's not like there are that many criminals this young. They could all be housed in one place.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    They can go to a regular prison when they're older. How about a separate wing in a maximum security prison? It's not like there are that many criminals this young. They could all be housed in one place.
    I have no problem with a children's wing in a prison as long as it is actually like a prison.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    At the expense of taxpayers?
    We already have the expense of maximum security prisons. And it would probably be cheaper because we'd be securing them, not imprisoning them.

    Imprisonment, as has been said, is for punishment, and I agree that punishment is deserved for adults and teenagers who commit crimes.

    But when young children commit violent acts, there's a psychological reason for it. While they need to be separated from society because of their potential to be a danger to others, they do not need to be punished because they have that inherent danger within them.

    Rather, they need to be secured and properly socialized in a controlled setting so that, if they can, they can live with other in society and, if not, remained secured while still being productive.

    I think that doing that would be less expensive than paying to put them in prison.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    I heard he is being tried as an adult because it was really premeditated.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So if a mischievious six-year old opens your basement window and sneaks in your house, is that Breaking and Entering? Should he get seven years in the Big House for it?

    If, while he's down there, he finds some matches, accidentally lights the pack, drops it in a panic and runs away... and someone dies in the fire... is he guilty of arson and murder? Should he get Lethal Injection, like an adult might in some states?

    Kids are not adults. While I don't believe in coddling teenagers who are serious repeat criminals, you have to draw a line somewhere.
    No, your scenario is an accident, he never intended to hurt anyone....

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    the plot thickens?

    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    He also discussed the issues of the nature of the crime and of premeditation: "The evidence presented by the commonwealth showed that the victim, Kenzie Marie Houk, 8 1/2 months pregnant, was in bed at the time she was murdered. She was totally defenseless at the time her life and the life of her unborn fetus was taken by a shotgun blast to the back of her head. There is no indication of any provocation by the victim that led to her killing."

    ...The judge said the evidence indicated that "the commission of the crime demonstrated a degree of criminal sophistication" on the part of the boy, and that the offense was "necessarily premeditated."

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So if a mischievious six-year old opens your basement window and sneaks in your house, is that Breaking and Entering? Should he get seven years in the Big House for it?

    If, while he's down there, he finds some matches, accidentally lights the pack, drops it in a panic and runs away... and someone dies in the fire... is he guilty of arson and murder? Should he get Lethal Injection, like an adult might in some states?

    Kids are not adults. While I don't believe in coddling teenagers who are serious repeat criminals, you have to draw a line somewhere.
    And that line is at murder, premeditated murder above all. Which is the case at hand.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    We don't put them to death regardless of that fact. In fact, I don't think any country that still has the death penalty executes children this young. Why do you think that is? The chances of the death penalty age ever being lowered to 11 or younger are extremely unlikely.
    Forget the 11 year olds. Just hold them until they are older, and retry them as adults, if you want to kill them. All I want is to remove kids who are killers from the streets.
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