View Poll Results: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And here you go immediately devolving to appeals to the absurd. As usual.
    Wrong, it is an analogy that displays the absurdity of placing an age value to murder.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Wrong, it is an analogy that displays the absurdity of placing an age value to murder.
    Wrong, it was an appeal to the absurd and nothing more.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, just exposing the absurdity of your argument.

    No, just being absurd period. As usual.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Sure you do, I'm Johnny Utah from years ago, been here since 2006.
    So what you want? A cookie?

    But they are illogical.
    No, they are perfectly logical and objective rather than this subjective crap that keeps being spewed about.

    I didn't say you threw out an insult. I said you threw out an off-handed and indrect insult. I am sure you see that upon review.
    I see that I made a general comment about the barbarism of treating children as adults in criminal matters.

    You're so silly, you don't mean that.
    No, I am glad you at least pick up on friendly jabs.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    Have they proven that males have a time of the month yet?
    I don't know...perhaps you should check your underwear for spotting and fill us in on the results.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So what you want? A cookie?
    Since you brought it up, yes. But I was only answering your question, BTW.

    No, I am glad you at least pick up on friendly jabs.
    Word.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't know...perhaps you should check your underwear for spotting and fill us in on the results.
    I have, but I only found skidmarks. Wasn't sure till I stuck my nose into it.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    What on earth is wrong with you?
    Nothing is "wrong" with me. What makes you think something is "wrong" with me?

    Okay, if you want to start this all over, what exactly defines a civilized society to you?
    I don't think we need to go over everything that defines a civilized society but we do need to address one issue that is relevant to this discussion. A civilized society is one that makes every consideration for protecting its weakest members, namely the young, the infirm, and the elderly.

    I think every opportunity should be presented to children to either live up to, in the case of the more fortunate, or rise above, in the case of the disadvantaged, what they were born into. I think that, even in criminal matters, the constantly evolving socialization of the child makes it counterproductive to the preservation of liberty balanced against the social demand for justice to hold them as culpable as adults.

    Further, the child, in every other legal matter, is deemed to be unfit to make decisions for himself even when we know that some kids could handle the responsibility and some cannot. The child cannot drink till 21, cannot enter into legal contracts until 18, cannot buy cigarettes until 19, cannot drive until 16, and in some places there are curfews. If we have determined the restrictions on a child to be immovable by codefied law, then it only stands to reason that the culpability of children in legal matters of a criminal nature should be as strictly defined and immovable.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    A civilized society is one that makes every consideration for protecting its weakest members, namely the young, the infirm, and the elderly.
    Depends. According to one ethical position, Teleological Ethics, the ends or consequences of an act determines whether an act is good or evil. Well, trying and convicting a person, regardless of whether they are 11, 22 or 44 of murder is the best course of action for society. If society gets rid of it's worst members, then it is showing that it cares for the rest of its people.

    I think every opportunity should be presented to children to either live up to, in the case of the more fortunate, or rise above, in the case of the disadvantaged, what they were born into. I think that, even in criminal matters, the constantly evolving socialization of the child makes it counterproductive to the preservation of liberty balanced against the social demand for justice to hold them as culpable as adults.
    This has nothing to do with socio economic status of birth. Socialization reaches its negative zenith when a child kills a person, just as when an adult kills a person. Hoping that they might evolve or worrying about what might have been is ludicrous.

    Further, the child, in every other legal matter, is deemed to be unfit to make decisions for himself even when we know that some kids could handle the responsibility and some cannot. The child cannot drink till 21, cannot enter into legal contracts until 18, cannot buy cigarettes until 19, cannot drive until 16, and in some places there are curfews. If we have determined the restrictions on a child to be immovable by codefied law, then it only stands to reason that the culpability of children in legal matters of a criminal nature should be as strictly defined and immovable.
    You make my point for me, thanks! 21 to drink. 18 to vote or join the army. 16 to drive. 11 to stand trial as an adult for murder. Since none are consistent with any standard other than the very one and only situation that they are considering, the age for trial as an adult is open. Depending on the crime, younger age is suitable.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    You make my point for me, thanks! 21 to drink. 18 to vote or join the army. 16 to drive. 11 to stand trial as an adult for murder. Since none are consistent with any standard other than the very one and only situation that they are considering, the age for trial as an adult is open. Depending on the crime, younger age is suitable.
    How does that even begin to make your point? Every other point of legal importance in dealing with children has a strictly defined limitation that does not move for ANY reason whatsoever. So why is it that you feel the need to move this point back and forth unless it is for emotional standards that lack objectivity?

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