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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'm down with those. So just so I'm not putting words into your mouth, if a child meets those standards, they should be tried as an adult?
    No, I am saying that a baseline age that the statistical mean of children sampled meet those criteria should be established and after that no one gets graded on any kind of curve. It becomes THE standard and is never deviated from. Ever.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I am saying that a baseline age that the statistical mean of children sampled meet those criteria should be established and after that no one gets graded on any kind of curve. It becomes THE standard and is never deviated from. Ever.
    That seems a little unfair. Kids develop extremely differently.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    That seems a little unfair. Kids develop extremely differently.
    I am willing to bet a finger on the fact that you wont find 10 percent of 11 year olds that meet all those criteria.

    All I am saying is that to give everyone a fair shake and take into account that some move ahead and some fall behind, you got to find that baseline and say "this is it. Cross this line and it becomes a whole different matter". And that line is the line for everyone...no deviation. It's the only consistent, objective, and equitable application of justice.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am willing to bet a finger on the fact that you wont find 10 percent of 11 year olds that meet all those criteria.

    All I am saying is that to give everyone a fair shake and take into account that some move ahead and some fall behind, you got to find that baseline and say "this is it. Cross this line and it becomes a whole different matter". And that line is the line for everyone...no deviation. It's the only consistent, objective, and equitable application of justice.
    I'd bet more than 50% do. Plus, it's just one finger. You can't feel that strongly about it.

    It's consistent, but it's certainly not equitable. If you're going to establish that baseline according to the median of kid's maturity level, that necessarily means half of the kids will have been more mature before that age and half won't be that mature until a later age. I like my way better. Plus, it creates jobs.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'd bet more than 50% do. Plus, it's just one finger. You can't feel that strongly about it.

    It's consistent, but it's certainly not equitable. If you're going to establish that baseline according to the median of kid's maturity level, that necessarily means half of the kids will have been more mature before that age and half won't be that mature until a later age. I like my way better. Plus, it creates jobs.
    LOL, ok so up the statistic point of importance. Make it 75% or even 80%. The first age marker for a random sampling of kids where they pass the evaluation with 80% consistency becomes the standard for everyone and remove the subjective factor of human judgment and error from the process for everyone regardless of race, class, etc. That might actually be the statistical mode rather than median. I was never very good at statistics anyway.

    You know me, I like simplified processes that have black and white answers.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    LOL, ok so up the statistic point of importance. Make it 75% or even 80%. The first age marker for a random sampling of kids where they pass the evaluation with 80% consistency becomes the standard for everyone and remove the subjective factor of human judgment and error from the process for everyone regardless of race, class, etc. That might actually be the statistical mode rather than median. I was never very good at statistics anyway.

    You know me, I like simplified processes that have black and white answers.
    Mmm...I'm a bigger fan of 50%. But at this point, we're just quibbling over details. Unless you have a hookup with someone that can change the legal system for us?
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Mmm...I'm a bigger fan of 50%. But at this point, we're just quibbling over details. Unless you have a hookup with someone that can change the legal system for us?
    Justice Roberts isn't bad looking.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I am saying that a baseline age that the statistical mean of children sampled meet those criteria should be established and after that no one gets graded on any kind of curve. It becomes THE standard and is never deviated from. Ever.
    The whole point of a statistical curve is to measure deviation. If you simply take an average and base your standards on that, you defeat the purpose.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The whole point of a statistical curve is to measure deviation. If you simply take an average and base your standards on that, you defeat the purpose.
    No, you set a standard and no one gets graded on a curve at all. That's the purpose and you would know that if you had bothered to read the entire discussion. In fact, it states that in plain english in the exact post you quoted.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, you set a standard and no one gets graded on a curve at all. That's the purpose and you would know that if you had bothered to read the entire discussion. In fact, it states that in plain english in the exact post you quoted.
    True, and then you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    LOL, ok so up the statistic point of importance. Make it 75% or even 80%. The first age marker for a random sampling of kids where they pass the evaluation with 80% consistency becomes the standard for everyone
    But never mind.

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