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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    If you try a kid as an adult, you are claiming that the kid is responsible for his own decisions. What justification is there then if it is found that the kid was not guilty, for saying that the same kid can't make his own decisions about who to vote for to represent him, who he has sex with, what he puts in his body, etc...?

    Any kid that could be tried as an adult if they commit murder should be treated as an adult with regards to everything else.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yes, but legally they are the same. They are both minors. And if an 11 year old picks up a shotgun, points it at his mother, and pulls the trigger, and she dies because of it, that kid is a murderer.

    Unless his lawyers can prove he didn't pick that gun up, it misfired, or some other irregularity which proves he didn't pick it up, point, and shoot his mother, he is a killer, and should be treated as one.
    If a 17-year-old is legally the same as an 11-year-old, then our laws need to be changed to reflect the obvious biological and psychological differences between them. Which I'm actually all for.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Yes, of course. Who else is going to pay for it? What else do you suggest? The death penalty for pre-teens?
    Yep, for stuff like this.....
    He will never be a productive member of society, except for donor organs....

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Good article that served as the foundation for this section in the English 12 course I took last year, which addressed this point directly.

    Should the Law Treat Kids and Adults Differently? - TIME

    Still trying to find the story about that one kid who was 17 and robbed/killed his neighbors.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Seems like a simple enough concept. Don't try someone for the age; try them for the crime. Problem solved.

    Now we can't hide behind a guise of being unfair. Case by case basis. Just the facts, ma'am.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Seems like a simple enough concept. Don't try someone for the age; try them for the crime. Problem solved.

    Now we can't hide behind a guise of being unfair. Case by case basis. Just the facts, ma'am.
    Exactly. Justice is blind. You kill someone, regardless of age, you get punished.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Here's the case: FOXNews.com - Adult Trial for Boy in Death of Pa. Woman, Fetus

    They are trying this boy as an adult. If you go to the article, you'll see a photo of the boy.

    An 11 year old is very young. At 11 most kids haven't even started puberty. How can a child that young be considered an adult? Is this kid any more unreformable than many young thugs? What he allegedly did was horrible, but he is not anywhere near adulthood.
    I read the story; there's not a lot of detail. In particular there's no information on what his reason for doing this was, if any; or whether there were any mitigating circumstances. Was this woman abusing or mistreating him in some way? Did he do this out of jealousy over his father taking up with a new woman?

    Does any of that matter? Well, maybe. If she was abusing him in some way, that's definitely a mitigating circumstance... its arguably in the same general ballpark as the "battered wife syndrome" which is an extension of self-defense pleas.

    Has he been evaluated by a shrink? Has it been established that he knew what he was doing was wrong?

    There are some cases where I think an 11yo could commit a really heinous crime, something indicating sociopathy, and they should never be allowed out in society ever again. BUT, I think each case has to be considered on its merits, and I think an 11yo should not be tried as an adult without evidence of some truly heinous and wacked-out things going on with him.

    The one in the UK where the two boys around this age tortured two smaller boys, forcing them to commit sexual acts, beating and nearly killing them... those are sociopaths, and I don't think they need to ever get out of an institution.

    In this case, I don't have enough info to decide. He killed someone, that's homicide; it may or may not be murder; if it is murder, there could be mitigating circumstances.

    Insufficient data.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Yep, for stuff like this.....
    He will never be a productive member of society, except for donor organs....
    What kind of society puts children to death?
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    What kind of society puts children to death?
    A society that has murderers who are minors.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Exactly. Justice is blind. You kill someone, regardless of age, you get punished.
    So if a mischievious six-year old opens your basement window and sneaks in your house, is that Breaking and Entering? Should he get seven years in the Big House for it?

    If, while he's down there, he finds some matches, accidentally lights the pack, drops it in a panic and runs away... and someone dies in the fire... is he guilty of arson and murder? Should he get Lethal Injection, like an adult might in some states?

    Kids are not adults. While I don't believe in coddling teenagers who are serious repeat criminals, you have to draw a line somewhere.

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