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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Understanding isn't the only factor in responsibility. An adult is automatically presumed to be responsible, if he isn't insane. A child may understand just fine but still not have the ability to control himself or make proper decisions.
    Well alright. If it's shown that this child could not control his actions, then I agree they shouldn't be tried as an adult.

    I have a feeling though that this kids could control his actions and he could make proper decisions. He just chose not to. At what point are people responsible for the actions? 18's just a number. I propose that if people understand what they did and know it's wrong, they should be tried as an adult. I mean, you don't see legions of 12 year-olds out there murdering. Obviously the rest of them have it figured out.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    My feeling is, they try kids like this as adults in order to assure that these violent offenders are locked up for a long time, because the juvenile justice system won't guarantee that. If tried as a juvenile, they automatically get released at I believe age 21 in most states?

    That's why I think there has to be a revamping of the juvenile justice system. When a young person commits a crime that would carry a long prison sentence in the adult system, there should be some type of parole system, rather than automatic release at age 21. That would give the system the opportunity to evaluate the offender.

    These kids are very very troubled, obviously. But, they are very young too, which means that the die is not totally set. They are more malleable and with proper treatment and therapy, there is hope to get to the root of the problem and help redeem them.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It certainly doesn't mitigate adult criminals. Possibly it is considered in the sentencing, but no one, adult or child is any less guilty cause their parents suck.

    A extremely brief google search gave my the following criteria to be declared competent to stand trial:

    *understand his present charges,
    *understand his overall legal situation,
    *understand the roles of courtroom personnel
    *distinguish between various pleas
    *understand the range of possible verdicts

    Most sixth graders understand all of the above. If it's found out that he doesn't, then he should be charged as a child.
    You really think an 11 year old understands the roles of the courtroom personnel and the distinction between the various pleas?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You really think an 11 year old understands the roles of the courtroom personnel and the distinction between the various pleas?
    I'm quite sure that if it's explained to him, he'll understand. The concepts aren't that difficult. When I was in sixth grade, I remember one of our science experiments was analyzing how light refracted. The difference between a judge and a lawyer is less complicated than that.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'm quite sure that if it's explained to him, he'll understand. The concepts aren't that difficult. When I was in sixth grade, I remember one of our science experiments was analyzing how light refracted. The difference between a judge and a lawyer is less complicated than that.
    I think you are just being contrary at this point and it doesn't become you. The proceedings, implications, and consequences of a court room are a little more complicated in real life than "that's Perry Mason and that's Judge Judy".

    And the average adult doesn't understand the distinction between a "guilty" and a "no contendere" plea.

    I'm surprised at you.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    My feeling is, they try kids like this as adults in order to assure that these violent offenders are locked up for a long time, because the juvenile justice system won't guarantee that. If tried as a juvenile, they automatically get released at I believe age 21 in most states?

    That's why I think there has to be a revamping of the juvenile justice system. When a young person commits a crime that would carry a long prison sentence in the adult system, there should be some type of parole system, rather than automatic release at age 21. That would give the system the opportunity to evaluate the offender.

    These kids are very very troubled, obviously. But, they are very young too, which means that the die is not totally set. They are more malleable and with proper treatment and therapy, there is hope to get to the root of the problem and help redeem them.
    That is the point of the juvenile justice system. Regardless .... when he turns 18 his record will be sealed. He will get a fresh start. That is the point of a juvenile record.

    Sadly ... some nazi jurisdictions have not yet figured that out. Which was some states ... like anywhere in the south, Illinois, and a few others need to subject to extreme federal oversight.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    My feeling is, they try kids like this as adults in order to assure that these violent offenders are locked up for a long time, because the juvenile justice system won't guarantee that. If tried as a juvenile, they automatically get released at I believe age 21 in most states?

    That's why I think there has to be a revamping of the juvenile justice system. When a young person commits a crime that would carry a long prison sentence in the adult system, there should be some type of parole system, rather than automatic release at age 21. That would give the system the opportunity to evaluate the offender.

    These kids are very very troubled, obviously. But, they are very young too, which means that the die is not totally set. They are more malleable and with proper treatment and therapy, there is hope to get to the root of the problem and help redeem them.
    From what I understand, once the kid turns 18 they are entered into adult prison to carry out the remainder of their sentence, not released at age 21.

    • Of the 7,135 juvenile felony defendants,
    62% were black, 20% were
    white, 96% were male, and at the time
    of arrest 55% were within 1 year of
    adulthood as defined by their State.
    • 66% of the juvenile felony defendants
    were convicted, either of a felony or a
    misdemeanor. Of those convicted,
    64% were sentenced to jail or prison
    as the most serious penalty. The average
    prison sentence received was
    about 90 months.

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/jfdcc98.pdf
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Not necessarily. Each state is slightly different. Some states can keep a juvenile in custody until age 21. Some, up to age 24. In most states, juvenile and adult systems operate separately and are closed to each other. An offender can't be transferred from one to the other without a new charge.

    So, in most states, juveniles who are tried as adults go directly into adult systems. For instance, in the case we are discussing, the boy was charged as an adult, so instead of going into a juvenile detention center, he was taken to the county jail where he was held for more than 9 months in special circumstances (temporary holding room off the receiving area). Finally, his attorney was able to get the judge to transfer him to a juvenile detention center until the conclusion of the trial where he will receive therapeutic interventions and educational services, not to mention being housed more appropriately with other juveniles.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think you are just being contrary at this point and it doesn't become you. The proceedings, implications, and consequences of a court room are a little more complicated in real life than "that's Perry Mason and that's Judge Judy".

    And the average adult doesn't understand the distinction between a "guilty" and a "no contendere" plea.

    I'm surprised at you.
    Sooo...just so we're on the same page. Since the average adult doesn't understand the distinction are we not trying anyone anymore? Let's just let em all go!
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Sooo...just so we're on the same page. Since the average adult doesn't understand the distinction are we not trying anyone anymore? Let's just let em all go!
    YOu were wondering about a slippery slope argument? You just made one.

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