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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    No. I mean, maybe if you're three, but unless he's mentally handicapped, a sixth grader knows the difference between killing someone on a video game and killing someone in real life.
    Actually, they don't.

    Following each narrative, children were asked to judge whether various bodily and mental processes continue to function after death, and to justify their judgment. Although children often claimed that functioning ceases at death and offered appropriate biological justifications for that judgment, they also claimed that functioning continues after death and offered appropriate religious justifications. The tendency to invoke an afterlife was more frequent among older children than younger children, more frequent in the context of the religious narrative as opposed to the secular narrative and more frequent with respect to mental processes than bodily processes. Particularly among older children, two distinct conceptions of death appear to co-exist: a biological conception in which death implies the cessation of living processes and a metaphysical conception in which death marks the beginning of the afterlife.
    Given all that and the severity of the crime, there's no reason to pretend he didn't know what he was doing.
    He probably knew very well that he wanted her and the baby to go away, perhaps permanently. But children's understanding of the permanency of death, and the future, is very different from ours. They can "understand" things, but they understand it differently than we do. The brain develops a great deal between 14 and 18.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I am 100% certain you are using a slippery slope argument.
    I'm sure that you wish I were, because you cannot answer the question. Why is an 11-year-old competent to make decisions about death, but not competent to make decisions about sex, using alcohol, or driving a vehicle?

    I'm asking you to explain how you can believe they are competent in one situation, but not in other, related situations. I'm asking you to be logically consistent. But I don't think you can be, in this situation.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, bad parenting isn't a crime but it is a factor that mitigates the culpability of the child in criminal matters. And that is as it should be.
    It certainly doesn't mitigate adult criminals. Possibly it is considered in the sentencing, but no one, adult or child is any less guilty cause their parents suck.

    A extremely brief google search gave my the following criteria to be declared competent to stand trial:

    *understand his present charges,
    *understand his overall legal situation,
    *understand the roles of courtroom personnel
    *distinguish between various pleas
    *understand the range of possible verdicts

    Most sixth graders understand all of the above. If it's found out that he doesn't, then he should be charged as a child.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    I don't think children or for that sake teenagers can be held to the same standards of responsibility as adults. Thus they should not be tried as adults.

    However something needs to be done if a child is heading down a destructive path. The social authorities needs to step in and help the child to develop in a healthier way.

    I would favour a system of special youth courts rather than the social authorities to determine what has to be done. A trial is also meant to be a form of protection and also a child can be accused of something he did not do. These youth courts should work in a way that seems unintimidating to the child and try to find out what the best thing to do for the child would be. In order to do this properly the youth courts should engage the people around the child like family, friends and teachers in the process.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, bad parenting isn't a crime but it is a factor that mitigates the culpability of the child in criminal matters. And that is as it should be.
    It certainly doesn't mitigate adult criminals. Possibly it is considered in the sentencing, but no one, adult or child is any less guilty cause their parents suck.

    A extremely brief google search gave me the following criteria to be declared competent to stand trial:

    *understand his present charges,
    *understand his overall legal situation,
    *understand the roles of courtroom personnel
    *distinguish between various pleas
    *understand the range of possible verdicts

    Most sixth graders understand all of the above. If it's found out that he doesn't, then he should be charged as a child.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It certainly doesn't mitigate adult criminals. Possibly it is considered in the sentencing, but no one, adult or child is any less guilty cause their parents suck.

    A extremely brief google search gave me the following criteria to be declared competent to stand trial:

    *understand his present charges,
    *understand his overall legal situation,
    *understand the roles of courtroom personnel
    *distinguish between various pleas
    *understand the range of possible verdicts

    Most sixth graders understand all of the above. If it's found out that he doesn't, then he should be charged as a child.
    So a child is the same thing as an insane person?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, they don't.





    He probably knew very well that he wanted her and the baby to go away, perhaps permanently. But children's understanding of the permanency of death, and the future, is very different from ours. They can "understand" things, but they understand it differently than we do. The brain develops a great deal between 14 and 18.

    The Understanding of Death
    I don't understand what part of that quote you were intending on using to support your argument...

    Particularly among older children, two distinct conceptions of death appear to co-exist: a biological conception in which death implies the cessation of living processes and a metaphysical conception in which death marks the beginning of the afterlife.
    That's pretty much what death is. What exactly are you basing your assertation that 12 year-olds don't understand death on? It appears the article disagrees with you, regardless.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm sure that you wish I were, because you cannot answer the question. Why is an 11-year-old competent to make decisions about death, but not competent to make decisions about sex, using alcohol, or driving a vehicle?

    I'm asking you to explain how you can believe they are competent in one situation, but not in other, related situations. I'm asking you to be logically consistent. But I don't think you can be, in this situation.
    How is it not slippery slope? You know what it is, right? Stating that if you allow one thing, you have to allow others is a slippery slope fallacy.

    How is the decision to take someone's life in anyway connected to the ability to drive? Every single sixth grader I know could tell you that it is wrong to kill someone and you will be punished. These same sixth graders could not necessarily make the correct decision about sex. In one instance they know it's wrong and not to do it. In another they do not and must be protected until they can make their own decision.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So a child is the same thing as an insane person?
    If we're saying they're not competent enough to understand their actions, what's the difference?
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    If we're saying they're not competent enough to understand their actions, what's the difference?
    Understanding isn't the only factor in responsibility. An adult is automatically presumed to be responsible, if he isn't insane. A child may understand just fine but still not have the ability to control himself or make proper decisions.

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