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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I also think the DA who decided to pursue this in the first place should have a recall vote coming...this was a clear dereliction of his duty to remain objective.
    See...now thats the beauty of this whole thing. in this country you can voice your opinion, submit suggestions for legislation, get involved with the process...and vote. Dont like the system, you can at least have your say in it.

    It IS a little ironic that in another active thread on this site there are many people clamoring for the UN Childrens Bill of Rights which promotes the idea that children have more autonomy and ultimately choice and responsibility. But at the same time children under 17 should be FREE from responsibility...or at least have their responsibility lessoned. I VAGUELY remember 12. I certainly remember 14. I did things which came with consequence and deservedly so. I knew right from wrong, yes, even then. I wlived on my own for quite a while when I was 12 til I moved in with my brother (NOT a great environment). I worked full time til they found out i was under 15.

    We forget that barely 100 years ago people were married at fifteen...had families...farms...worked...were treated as adults. We have DEvolved to a large degree...taken AWAY the responsibility and burden from kids...to their detriment.

    There ARE violent children out there. They arent the norm...and they shouldnt be treated as the norm. Arbitrary judgement based on age puts society at risk. We will disagree.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    See...now thats the beauty of this whole thing. in this country you can voice your opinion, submit suggestions for legislation, get involved with the process...and vote. Dont like the system, you can at least have your say in it.

    It IS a little ironic that in another active thread on this site there are many people clamoring for the UN Childrens Bill of Rights which promotes the idea that children have more autonomy and ultimately choice and responsibility. But at the same time children under 17 should be FREE from responsibility...or at least have their responsibility lessoned. I VAGUELY remember 12. I certainly remember 14. I did things which came with consequence and deservedly so. I knew right from wrong, yes, even then. I wlived on my own for quite a while when I was 12 til I moved in with my brother (NOT a great environment). I worked full time til they found out i was under 15.

    We forget that barely 100 years ago people were married at fifteen...had families...farms...worked...were treated as adults. We have DEvolved to a large degree...taken AWAY the responsibility and burden from kids...to their detriment.

    There ARE violent children out there. They arent the norm...and they shouldnt be treated as the norm. Arbitrary judgement based on age puts society at risk. We will disagree.
    I agree with all of that except one point: we aren't talking about a 15 year old here. We aren't talking about a 14 year old. We are talking about an 11 year old. There has to be some point at which society says "this is the cutoff", otherwise the arbitrary nature of our fallible human judgment overrides any sense of objective justice.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Any kid who is old enough to know how to use what is essentially an adult tool - such as a gun - is old enough to know the damage it can do. I say charge him as an adult.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    One can punish the kid if found guilty. 10 years in a juvanal prison will be more than enough. In Germany it wouldnt even be possible to punish him until 15 years old, which is also frustrating.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    One can punish the kid if found guilty. 10 years in a juvanal prison will be more than enough. In Germany it wouldnt even be possible to punish him until 15 years old, which is also frustrating.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Any kid who is old enough to know how to use what is essentially an adult tool - such as a gun - is old enough to know the damage it can do. I say charge him as an adult.
    A five year old could probably figure out how to use a gun, too.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    A five year old could probably figure out how to use a gun, too.
    Absolutely. My 4-year-old could easily do that. 4-year-olds do it with play guns now. Point and pull.

    Would anyone here try a 4-year-old as an adult? Anyone?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Would anyone here try a 4-year-old as an adult? Anyone?
    Well if anyone did do that, they could be fairly confident that Pope Benedict XVI would help them cover it up.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Well if anyone did do that, they could be fairly confident that Pope Benedict XVI would help them cover it up.
    Good one!

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Well if anyone did do that, they could be fairly confident that Pope Benedict XVI would help them cover it up.
    OMG, that was so absolutely perfect.

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