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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its actually NOT interjecting emotion...its interjecting REALITY. An EMOTIONAL response would be "we cant treat them like adults...they are only CHILDREN...they are only 11"...whereas I personally believe that if a 'child' has been tested and assessed by a psychologist and found to be a threat to society they should be treated as such REGARDLESS of age.
    Why only two choices though? Why must an 11-year-old be treated as an adult, which is absurd on its face, just because they are a threat to society? Why does that make him an adult, or need to be treated like one? Can't we have a third way of handling these kinds of things?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why only two choices though? Why must an 11-year-old be treated as an adult, which is absurd on its face, just because they are a threat to society? Why does that make him an adult, or need to be treated like one? Can't we have a third way of handling these kinds of things?
    Sure...such as? Would a viable third option be to sentence as an adult, place in juvenile til they are adults, offer rehab, and if rehabbed then paroled?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sure...such as? Would a viable third option be to sentence as an adult, place in juvenile til they are adults, offer rehab, and if rehabbed then paroled?
    why place him in juvenile if they're trying him as an adult?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why only two choices though? Why must an 11-year-old be treated as an adult, which is absurd on its face, just because they are a threat to society? Why does that make him an adult, or need to be treated like one? Can't we have a third way of handling these kinds of things?
    It is not about the age, it is about the crime. Murder and such are not to be tolerated regardless of age. What the hell does age matter? What logical step is there that states that age matters in the damn slightest?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    LOLZ! It seems I haven't finished contributing to this thread (as per my last post).

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Utah View Post
    It is not about the age, it is about the crime. Murder and such are not to be tolerated regardless of age. What the hell does age matter? What logical step is there that states that age matters in the damn slightest?
    Why does age matter? Because society (everywhere) says it does. I am not legally entitled to vote, I have only just become legally entitled to apply for a driver' licence, I am not legally entitled to drink alcohol, I am not legally entitled to buy cigarettes, I am not legally entitled to sign a contract, I am not legally entitled to hold public office, I am not legally entitled to be a director of a company, and I am not legally entitled to join the armed forces. And I am not 11 years of age - so if someone who is 16 and a half cannot do all these things, how can he be considered a responsible adult, and prosecuted as such? How much less so an 11 year old?
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sure...such as? Would a viable third option be to sentence as an adult, place in juvenile til they are adults, offer rehab, and if rehabbed then paroled?
    Well, that's one way, and it is used now of course, but it's a pretty lame one. It's still fitting these cases into the existing system instead of changing it.

    I think we should start by giving serious juvenile crimes punishment that doesn't automatically end at age 21, but still keeps them out of the adult system. And above all, it should acknowledge that these are still children and still need to have guidance to grow up, or else they'll just commit another crime and end up in prison anyway.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Utah View Post
    It is not about the age, it is about the crime. Murder and such are not to be tolerated regardless of age. What the hell does age matter? What logical step is there that states that age matters in the damn slightest?
    But that's silly. It should be about age. Otherwise ALL crimes would be adult crimes, and we wouldn't have a seperate system for juveniles.

    It has nothing to do with "tolerating" crimes. We're not just letting them get away with it. But kids just aren't as responsible for their crimes as adults.

    Would you send a four-year-old to adult prison for deliberately shooting someone with a gun?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    I watched a show the other day, I believe it was TLC. It covered murders by young people over the past years, and included some interviews of them now, as they serve out their life sentences. The show was balanced, including both the horror of the crimes, the family dynamics the offenders grew up in, and psychological profiles of them. It did not editorialize in and of itself, but did portray these troubled young people as human beings, not monsters.

    Some of these young people, now in their 20s, having served out, already, many, many years in prison, did sound as if they have accepted responsibility for their actions and have done a lot of sincere introspection. Many of them were bullied severely, or suffered abuse and neglect at the hands of their parents.

    I really feel that these young people need to be reevaluated at some point, especially those who committed crimes under the age of 16. There has to be a better system in a sophisticated society such as ours than locking them up and throwing away the key. Dogs get treated better than that.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    why place him in juvenile if they're trying him as an adult?

    semms rather inconsistent to me
    Place him in an age appropriate facility while he is being both held (punished) and rehabilitated (helped). Because maybe a 14-15-16 year old violent youth offender might continue to adopt survival techniques in an adult only facility that he might then take with him should he ever be paroled and BE that much more violent. How is that inconsistent? The sentnece would be the same...the difference would be where he is held as a youth.

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