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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You're mistaken, blackdog. In most states, being tried as an adult removes the juvenile from the juvenile system, and puts him/her into the adult court system, and then into the adult correctional system. You're speaking from ignorance here. I've even provided you with sources for this. There are around 10,000 juveniles (under age 18) currently incarcerated in adult prisons in the U.S.

    They aren't put into federal prisons, but they are definitely put into state prisons. In most states, the juvenile justice system and the adult justice system are two separate animals. Being placed into the adult system means just that. You do adult time. That's the whole point.
    You are talking 16 to 18 year olds convicted of aggravated forcible felony's.

    That is OK.

    Heck I arrested a 16 year old for stabbing his mother. He got tried as an adult. For all practical purposes he was.

    No case I know of of a 15 year old or younger getting sent to a state penn etc.

    Cat, it is a 135 page book. Do you really think I am going to read it???
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    16 or 17 year olds are fine. They are adults for most purposes.
    For most purposes doesn't cut it. Either they are or they are not adults.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    All in all I still have no problem with it. At 14 years of age you know right from wrong, period.

    I think my problem is total emotional detachment. I really don't care. I say let them do the time if they do the crime, period.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    For most purposes doesn't cut it. Either they are or they are not adults.
    I agree, but I still think they should be tried as such for forcible felonies etc as they are.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree, but I still think they should be tried as such for forcible felonies etc as they are.
    I don't know, maybe my problem is expecting black and white standards of application like forming a logical proof.

    I have such a hard time accepting anything less than total objectivity and consistent application of the law in any degree.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Not what?

    I understand that. That is why it is done case by case. Not every juvenile in every circumstance is tried as an adult. They should not be, but in some cases they should.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree, but I still think they should be tried as such for forcible felonies etc as they are.
    I don't see any benefit to trying 16-17 year olds as adults. They recidivate at higher rates when incarcerated with adults, and are more likely to receive rehabilitative services in a juvenile facility. From a cost-benefit approach, it's a bad strategy. As a fiscal conservative, I give it a thumbs-down.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not what?

    I understand that. That is why it is done case by case. Not every juvenile in every circumstance is tried as an adult. They should not be, but in some cases they should.
    JUVENILES TRIED AS ADULTS ARE PLACED INTO ADULT FACILITIES, almost without exception.

    Cheese & rice.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not what?

    I understand that. That is why it is done case by case. Not every juvenile in every circumstance is tried as an adult. They should not be, but in some cases they should.
    Here we go again.

    What objective measure can be used to determine the sudden and dramatic shift in how the system treats them?

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