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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    For the last time...

    Being tried as an adult does not mean the child will be put immediately into an adult facility. This is just silliness.

    It means if convicted and sentenced to life, he will be detained until the age of 18 or 21 in a maximum security juvenile facility. At which time he will be moved to an adult facility.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    No, we throw them into state prisons. DAILY. Thousands of them. I worked with several dozen juvenile gang members who were tried as adults and sent to state prison.
    17 to 18 year olds? How many 11 years olds did they send?
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    As if all juvenile facilities are nice homey places with pink wallpaper and cookies anyway.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    As if all juvenile facilities are nice homey places with pink wallpaper and cookies anyway.
    Irrelevant.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OK...but if the laws were applied 'consistently' then there would be little room for leniency or variance for people OVER the age of 18...right?

    Again...we'll agree to disagree.
    There isn't much room for variance as it is. If certain criteria are met, the charge is either aggravated or mitigated as well as there being min and max sentencing requirements.

    All I am saying is that the very first objective litmus test is whether the person is or is not of the age of majority. If set out blurring that simple line with subjectivity, then how in the world can we have faith in the blind equality of our justice system from that point forward?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    17 to 18 year olds? How many 11 years olds did they send?
    What's the cutoff? 17? 15? 12? How do you know?

    How about just treating children like children and adults like adults instead of creating laws that make no sense and have no flexibility - and then circumventing them whenever they are convenient to us?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What's the cutoff? 17? 15? 12? How do you know?

    How about just treating children like children and adults like adults instead of creating laws that make no sense and have no flexibility - and then circumventing them whenever they are convenient to us?
    Because emotions are so easy to capitulate to because there is an instant satisfaction in doing so.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    For the last time...

    Being tried as an adult does not mean the child will be put immediately into an adult facility. This is just silliness.

    It means if convicted and sentenced to life, he will be detained until the age of 18 or 21 in a maximum security juvenile facility. At which time he will be moved to an adult facility.
    You're mistaken, blackdog. In most states, being tried as an adult removes the juvenile from the juvenile system, and puts him/her into the adult court system, and then into the adult correctional system. You're speaking from ignorance here. I've even provided you with sources for this. There are around 10,000 juveniles (under age 18) currently incarcerated in adult prisons in the U.S.

    They aren't put into federal prisons, but they are definitely put into state prisons. In most states, the juvenile justice system and the adult justice system are two separate animals. Being placed into the adult system means just that. You do adult time. That's the whole point.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    We will probably have to agree to disagree on this one. I saw juvenile crime rise after we began trying 16-17 year olds as adults, because the gangs started to recruit 14 & 15 year olds to commit homicides so that the older members wouldn't receive life sentences. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, and it may be something we never intended.

    Trying juveniles as adults is NOT an effective solution to violent juvenile crime.



    16 and 17 year old offenders are routinely send to state prisons after being tried as adults. There are very few states with separate facilities to house juvenile offenders tried as adults. They are two totally separate systems.

    http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bja/182503.pdf

    There are a number of studies that have shown that recidivism is significantly higher for juveniles incarcerated with adults than for similar juveniles who are placed in juvenile facilities. (one example: The Recidivism of Violent Youths in Juvenile and Adult Court: A Consideration of Selection Bias -- Myers 1 (1): 79 -- Youth Violence and Juvenile Justice) That's why many professionals in the fields of criminal justice, law enforcement, and juvenile justice do not support trying juveniles under the age of 18 as adults.
    16 or 17 year olds are fine. They are adults for most purposes. Hell they used to be able to get married at that age. In some states they still can.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    17 to 18 year olds? How many 11 years olds did they send?
    No, not 17 and 18 year olds. 14 - 17 year olds. An 18-year-old is a legal adult and would automatically be tried as an adult. I've provided you with data on this, which you apparently have not looked at. I'd encourage you to scroll up and read it.

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