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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    My experience tells me that regardless of what they NEED MANY CHOOSE NOT to BE rehabbed. And many are for whatever reason incapable. And in those cases...do you want to be confined to a set of rules based on age?
    I would rather have the law apply consistently and objectively in every case so that every kid has the benefit of mitigated culpability that was designed into the law rather than have a subjective and emotional reaction to the crime eclipse the equitable treatment of the child defendant.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    do you want to be confined to a set of rules based on age?
    Yes. Because, speaking generally, a juvenile secure facility is a far better place for a young offender, no matter how violent, than an adult facility. Sending 10 year olds to prison is an archaic, inhumane, and barbaric practice.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Actually, the law ISN'T that clear, else this disagreement would not be happening. Your cherry picking of what case law applies to your argument does not clarify your emotion clouded lense for anyone but you.
    The law in this case is clear. He is to be tried as an adult. Case closed.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes he is reacting emotionally and lashing out while all the while saying I am emotional because I disagree.
    This is a lie. I have consistently applied an objective standard to the issue. You, however, have invoked nothing but subjectivity.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes. Because, speaking generally, a juvenile secure facility is a far better place for a young offender, no matter how violent, than an adult facility. Sending 10 year olds to prison is an archaic, inhumane, and barbaric practice.
    If the child is convicted even if given a life sentence he will be in a juvenile facility until at least 18!

    We do not throw children into a state or Federal penitentiary!
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Your personal anectdotes don't count as evidence to bolster a reasonable argument. Sorry. I've seen juveniles shoot other juveniles, sometimes to death. Two of my clients shot two people to death over a set of hubcaps. Several of my clients were tried as adults and served prison terms. Several are on death row.

    I have 5 times as much experience as you do, purely on the basis of longevity.

    I still provided evidence and research from the field to support my viewpoint that trying an 11-year-old as an adult is insanity. So should you.
    But they probably should be set free at 21...and you'd be happy with that...right?

    Isnt THAT what this is about? SOME deserve to be precisely where they are. Bless their hearts and souls...for whatever reason...they have chosen to be what they are and arent likely to change. SOME...not ALL...deserve their fate. Have I suggested ANYTHING more???

    You want evidence? Fine...use Google...hell...you've proven you know how...just dont look at JUST the articles and points of view that support your position and you should have all the reading material you could ever want or need.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    This is a lie. I have consistently applied an objective standard to the issue. You, however, have invoked nothing but subjectivity.
    Your objective standard is emotional in essence. It's the same "it's for the children" emotional cry we get every time something bad happens to a kid.

    Subjectivity does not = Knee jerk or emotional.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If the child is convicted even if given a life sentence he will be in a juvenile facility until at least 18!

    We do not throw children into a state or Federal penitentiary!
    Why not? After all, he's being tried as an adult, right? So is he an adult, or not?

    See the point?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The law in this case is clear. He is to be tried as an adult. Case closed.
    No the case is not closed. That's just another frustrated (read: emotional) attempt to end the debate on your word alone.

    There is still an appeals process, etc. And, if you weren't so clouded with emotion, you would remember that the opening post wasn't specifically about this kid, but a general question as to whether an 11 year old should EVER be tried as an adult.

    Breathe. Just breathe.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why not? After all, he's being tried as an adult, right? So is he an adult, or not?

    See the point?
    State and Federal penitentiary's are not set up to house juveniles.

    See the point?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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