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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yeah. I was working directly with gang members when these laws passed. The problem is...legislators generally know very little about juvenile crime, and are responding in a knee-jerk fashion to appear as if they are doing something about a perceived problem. And, while juvenile crime was quite high in the late 80s-early 90s, it has since dropped by a considerable margin, for reasons that we haven't even been able to coherently explain yet.

    The problem is that adult facilities, for the most part, aren't adequately equipped to handle 10 year old offenders. It poses a safety risk to the young offender, and in some cases, to older offenders.

    Furthermore, very few juveniles commit violent crimes ALONE. The vast majority of juveniles arrested for felony offenses are arrested in the company of adult perpetrators.

    You're treating this subject in a very generalized and slipshod fashion that i find disturbing coming from a professional in the field of juvenile justice.
    You are ignoring the fact that we do not send juveniles to a state or Federal penitentiary until they reach the age of 18.

    So it really is of no consequence.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yeah. I was working directly with gang members when these laws passed. The problem is...legislators generally know very little about juvenile crime, and are responding in a knee-jerk fashion to appear as if they are doing something about a perceived problem. And, while juvenile crime was quite high in the late 80s-early 90s, it has since dropped by a considerable margin, for reasons that we haven't even been able to coherently explain yet.

    The problem is that adult facilities, for the most part, aren't adequately equipped to handle 10 year old offenders. It poses a safety risk to the young offender, and in some cases, to older offenders.

    Furthermore, very few juveniles commit violent crimes ALONE. The vast majority of juveniles arrested for felony offenses are arrested in the company of adult perpetrators.

    You're treating this subject in a very generalized and slipshod fashion that i find disturbing coming from a professional in the field of juvenile justice.
    We are TALKING in a very vague and generalized manner. The OP was an OPINION POLL for Gods sake. This isnt a doctoral dissertation, its a blog. The juvenile in question is just one person...one of many.

    I HOPE he can change. My actual recommendation here was try him as an adult and if convicted life, but WITH the possibility of parole. If he can be helped he should be and will be. If not, prison is where he belongs. I think thats actually a pretty fair position to take.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Do you want it to be some kind of emotional bull**** so you can justify your lack of argument?
    There is no lack of argument on my part. I have presented logical and sound reasoning for not trying a child as an adult.

    Why haven't you done the same for justifying your disregard for objectivity and consistent application of the law?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    We are TALKING in a very vague and generalized manner. The OP was an OPINION POLL for Gods sake. This isnt a doctoral dissertation, its a blog. The juvenile in question is just one person...one of many.

    I HOPE he can change. My actual recommendation here was try him as an adult and if convicted life, but WITH the possibility of parole. If he can be helped he should be and will be. If not, prison is where he belongs. I think thats actually a pretty fair position to take.
    We are being emotional and jumping to give knee jerk reactions.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    We are TALKING in a very vague and generalized manner. The OP was an OPINION POLL for Gods sake. This isnt a doctoral dissertation, its a blog. The juvenile in question is just one person...one of many.

    I HOPE he can change. My actual recommendation here was try him as an adult and if convicted life, but WITH the possibility of parole. If he can be helped he should be and will be. If not, prison is where he belongs. I think thats actually a pretty fair position to take.
    You're correct, that is a fair position to take but I still have to question whether blurring the lines of objectivity in the law that much is a good idea or not.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We are being emotional and jumping to give knee jerk reactions.
    Well, you are. I dunno about Vance.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yeah. I was working directly with gang members when these laws passed. The problem is...legislators generally know very little about juvenile crime, and are responding in a knee-jerk fashion to appear as if they are doing something about a perceived problem. And, while juvenile crime was quite high in the late 80s-early 90s, it has since dropped by a considerable margin, for reasons that we haven't even been able to coherently explain yet.

    The problem is that adult facilities, for the most part, aren't adequately equipped to handle 10 year old offenders. It poses a safety risk to the young offender, and in some cases, to older offenders.

    Furthermore, very few juveniles commit violent crimes ALONE. The vast majority of juveniles arrested for felony offenses are arrested in the company of adult perpetrators.

    You're treating this subject in a very generalized and slipshod fashion that i find disturbing coming from a professional in the field of juvenile justice.
    Most juveniles in adult facilities (there arent THAT many of them) arent kept in general population. So...maybe keep him in a Juvenile facility and then transfer him at 18.

    The alternative is to try him as a juvenile, he DOESNT get help, and gets out and hurts others. That is the opinion of the psychiatrist that assessed him. i personally wouldnt want to explain to the families of future victims...well...we assessed him to be incorrigible...but come on...he was only 11 when he killed his future step momma...sorry for your loss...

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    There is no lack of argument on my part. I have presented logical and sound reasoning for not trying a child as an adult.
    Again you completely ignore my argument for some bull**** that does not even apply to what I have said.

    Intellectual dishonesty is not very becoming.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Why haven't you done the same for justifying your disregard for objectivity and consistent application of the law?
    I have done this, you ignored it.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well, you are. I dunno about Vance.
    Oh I see.

    You are a mind reader and know exactly what I think and why. Well since you seem to know my mind better than I do lets play a game.

    What is my mothers maiden name?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again you completely ignore my argument for some bull**** that does not even apply to what I have said.
    No, I considered your argument and found it lacking.

    Intellectual dishonesty is not very becoming.
    Then stop being intellectually dishonest.

    I have done this, you ignored it.
    No, I did not ignore it. I just found it irrelevant to the argument at hand so, no, you did not do this.

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