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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    This 11 year old is rather an extreme case in America? Why doesnt anyone ask about his fathers role in creating a monster. We say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
    As with the other posts at this point it is all speculation about the boy or even his father and the mental fitness of either.

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Children should be punished but treated differntly than harden lifers. She he be gangbanged every night by harden criminals?
    Even hardened criminals have a problem with child molesters. They usually try to hurt or kill them, which is why most of the time they have to be separated from the general population.

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    Isnt life without parole cruel and unusal punishment?
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Personally I wouldn't use age as a concrete variable. Some 11-year-olds are mature enough to understand their actions, but many aren't. If all 11-year-olds were mature enough to be tried as adults, I can hardly fathom why they would be unable to smoke cigarettes or have consentual sex. It needs to be taken on a case-by-case basis.

    In this case, the psychiatrist for the prosecution says the boy cannot be rehabilitated. Well, I think they should get a few second opinions before they proceed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Prison has nothing to do with reform. It has to do with punishment. If that was the case, crimes with excessively high rates of recidivism such as child molestation would be life-sentence crimes after the first conviction.
    Actually child molesters on average recidivate less than any other kind of offender, but there is a chronic subset of mostly high risk offenders that will offend over and over again given the opportunity.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    I ask myself, what kind of a lawyer does this kid have? He would be better off to defend himself. He needs Perry Mason.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    For those who say an 11 year old should be charged with premeditated murder, and if found guilty, be imprisoned for life, or even executed, I ask you to consider how aware an eleven year old is of the reality and permanence of death.

    My dad died when I was 8. I was up at boarding school when it happened, and when the head told me I could have the day off for the funeral, I genuinely thought I was going to spend time with my dad. Now I'm not generally thought of as being stupid, and 8 years ago I wasn't stupid either. But I recently had two people who were very close to me die, and I have a much better idea now what death is about. I simply had no concept of death, other than people falling down in movies, or blowing people up in computer games, even four years ago. I am sure that if I had had access to a real shotgun at that time, I might easily have killed someone in fun or in anger.

    I know the boy is not eight, but he is only halfway between my age then and my age now. I do not believe that most 11 year olds have an accurate concept of death. And nowhere within the British justice system would an 11 or 12 year old be tried as an adult. I believe this is as it should be.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Nice comment Leo. At last a human being on the web.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I see no reason not to charge him as an adult. No one has presented a really convincing argument why he should not be.
    Ummm, how about the fact that he's ELEVEN.


    Yeah, let's just throw the entire justice system out the window and start applying our laws based on our feelings. That's certainly the smart thing to do.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    The law must be consistent in its application. You can't decide that kids under 18 are universally stripped of all rights to vote because they aren't mature enough, but can be considered mature enough to be charged as adults. Its fine to decide that maturity can be decided on a case by case basis, but you must allow it for voting as well as criminal punishment. Either choice is fine, but one must be treated as an adult in all aspects if you want to consider them as such.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Here's the case: FOXNews.com - Adult Trial for Boy in Death of Pa. Woman, Fetus

    They are trying this boy as an adult. If you go to the article, you'll see a photo of the boy.

    An 11 year old is very young. At 11 most kids haven't even started puberty. How can a child that young be considered an adult? Is this kid any more unreformable than many young thugs? What he allegedly did was horrible, but he is not anywhere near adulthood.
    1-how on earth can they try him for a second homicide charge? Its 'just' a fetus after all...(OK...thats out of the way...)

    2-It is highly unlikely (virtually impossible) that this kid will be rehabbed in juvenile custody. if he is released at 21 it is a virtual certainty that he will create more victims. Thats not to say he COULDNT be helped...just that with the current system he WILL NOT be helped. It becomes a matter of public safety.

    So TRY him as an adult...and sentence him to life WITH the possibility of parole in say, 20 years. If he is capable of rehabilitation he will demonstrate that he has. If not...keep him behind bars.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    1-how on earth can they try him for a second homicide charge? Its 'just' a fetus after all...(OK...thats out of the way...)

    2-It is highly unlikely (virtually impossible) that this kid will be rehabbed in juvenile custody. if he is released at 21 it is a virtual certainty that he will create more victims. Thats not to say he COULDNT be helped...just that with the current system he WILL NOT be helped. It becomes a matter of public safety.

    So TRY him as an adult...and sentence him to life WITH the possibility of parole in say, 20 years. If he is capable of rehabilitation he will demonstrate that he has. If not...keep him behind bars.
    How do you know this?

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    For those who say an 11 year old should be charged with premeditated murder, and if found guilty, be imprisoned for life, or even executed, I ask you to consider how aware an eleven year old is of the reality and permanence of death.

    My dad died when I was 8. I was up at boarding school when it happened, and when the head told me I could have the day off for the funeral, I genuinely thought I was going to spend time with my dad. Now I'm not generally thought of as being stupid, and 8 years ago I wasn't stupid either. But I recently had two people who were very close to me die, and I have a much better idea now what death is about. I simply had no concept of death, other than people falling down in movies, or blowing people up in computer games, even four years ago. I am sure that if I had had access to a real shotgun at that time, I might easily have killed someone in fun or in anger.

    I know the boy is not eight, but he is only halfway between my age then and my age now. I do not believe that most 11 year olds have an accurate concept of death. And nowhere within the British justice system would an 11 or 12 year old be tried as an adult. I believe this is as it should be.
    Sorry for your loss at such a young age.

    The fact is that the average male brain doesnt develop fully til they are 26 and the last part of the brain that fully develops is the decision making/right/wrong filter. So...with the exception of experience he is no less capable of making a right decision than an 18 or 20 year old. The psychiatrist that interviewed him indicated that he lacked the capability to be rehabbed. Ultimately, he will hurt others.

    I hope Im wrong-it would be tragic to see a life end at such an early age. Surely there are extenuating circumstances...but then...there ALWAYS is. I would opt for trying him as an adult and sentencing him to life with the possibility of parole.

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