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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think it's a little difficult to pin "sociopathy" on this particular kid though. Definitely disturbed and definitely didn't have any concept of how his action could be permanent. But I think those might be some anger management and latent rage type things stemming from his home life, if anything.
    agreed, as i said, i don't know about this particular boy. was there another link with more details?

    i like to think prosecutors don't make these decisions lightly.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I agree with you except, yes, an 11 year old knows death is permanent. I knew that at 5 as I recall.

    But this boy was deeply disturbed and had inner rage that he was unable to control. Add to that access to a loaded weapon and, there you have it.
    I don't think kids really have that concept so early, especially in our society. They're immersed in violent television, violent video games, violent comic books and, with this kid, you kinda are left with the intimation that there was some violence at home though that last part can be set aside because I haven't seen solid evidence.

    The point is, there's all this violence and death around them that isn't permanent and it has to have an effect on their concept of the far reaching consequences of real life violence.

    My best friend was killed by a buckshot to the chest when I was 13. I was there and saw it happen, gun went off while it was being unloaded and then there was just blood everywhere. His chest looked like shredded tissue paper and bits of bone and viscera showing through. One minute we were all laughing and unloading our guns after having been shooting mistletoe out of oak trees and the next, our lives were changed forever. The boy who's gun went off never was the same again and, of course, Chris was gone.

    Now I know this was an accident and nothing like a murder performed in a fit of rage but...it took me over a long time to realize that Chris was never coming back. I mean I knew on a purely intellectual level, but emotionally, I don't think I came to that realization till well into the following year. The permanence of it just wasn't something I could grasp.

    I just don't think kids have the emotional capacity to understand, especially in a fit of rage, what the real consequences of their actions are. My question, and I think the poignant question at that, is why wasn't his rage issue being addressed? Why were his disturbances allowed to go unchecked AND why was loaded gun put in his hands? When do the adults in his life have to start claiming responsibility for how they cheated this kid out of his childhood with their apathy toward his problems?

    I just don't think our society should treat him as an adult just because no one else bothered to treat him as a child before now.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Until the drinking age, smoking age, right to vote, gambling age, legal sexual consent age, and certain other age-dependent restrictive laws become applied based on the individual situation, I will never support the application of punitive laws based upon the situation.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Until the drinking age, smoking age, right to vote, gambling age, legal sexual consent age, and certain other age-dependent restrictive laws become applied based on the individual situation, I will never support the application of punitive laws based upon the situation.
    but limits are put on those activities to safeguard children. sometimes society needs to be protected from kids who kill.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    but limits are put on those activities to safeguard children. sometimes society needs to be protected from kids who kill.
    At this point, it is irrelavent how here got there....
    What is relavent is where he's going.....

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    but limits are put on those activities to safeguard children.
    I disagree with it being "society's" job to enforce those rules. But even still, the point remains that not ALL children need to be safeguarded form certain behaviors. A responsible 16 year-old living on her own with a steady job shouldn't be prevented from having a drink if she so chooses.

    Hence my inclusion of "situation-dependent" application in my statement.

    As it stands, such a 16 year old isn't granted equal rights based on her maturity and responsibility. Hell, an actual 18-year old who lives on their own and has a steady job isn't granted that equal right.

    I think that's asinine personally, but if that's how our law works, it should be evenly applied for things we agree with as well as things we disagree with.

    sometimes society needs to be protected from kids who kill.
    And sometimes kids who kill need to be protected from society.
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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    but limits are put on those activities to safeguard children. sometimes society needs to be protected from kids who kill.
    That's why I voted that the justice system needs another alternative for these types of disturbing cases. Trying them as adults doesn't seem like a fair or rational approach, nor does trying them in the juvenile system, only to release them at age 21 as hardened criminals at the age when criminal capabilities and tendencies are at their peak.

    It's well known that aging does a lot to quell violent tendencies in men. It just doesn't make practical sense to send an already violent prone boy into the juvenile detention system, where he will most certainly be exposed to young, violent criminals as his main role models.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    That's why I voted that the justice system needs another alternative for these types of disturbing cases. Trying them as adults doesn't seem like a fair or rational approach, nor does trying them in the juvenile system, only to release them at age 21 as hardened criminals at the age when criminal capabilities and tendencies are at their peak.

    It's well known that aging does a lot to quell violent tendencies in men. It just doesn't make practical sense to send an already violent prone boy into the juvenile detention system, where he will most certainly be exposed to young, violent criminals as his main role models.
    Maybe the consequences should be taught at an early age in school....
    If you kill on purpose, you will be killed.....
    I think mot children can grasp that concept....
    There seems to be no problem with teaching sex education in school, why not this?....

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    That's why I voted that the justice system needs another alternative for these types of disturbing cases. Trying them as adults doesn't seem like a fair or rational approach, nor does trying them in the juvenile system, only to release them at age 21 as hardened criminals at the age when criminal capabilities and tendencies are at their peak.

    It's well known that aging does a lot to quell violent tendencies in men. It just doesn't make practical sense to send an already violent prone boy into the juvenile detention system, where he will most certainly be exposed to young, violent criminals as his main role models.
    That definitely has some merit. I, personally, think the boy needs to be placed in a mental health facility.

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    Re: Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    That's why I voted that the justice system needs another alternative for these types of disturbing cases. Trying them as adults doesn't seem like a fair or rational approach, nor does trying them in the juvenile system, only to release them at age 21 as hardened criminals at the age when criminal capabilities and tendencies are at their peak.

    It's well known that aging does a lot to quell violent tendencies in men. It just doesn't make practical sense to send an already violent prone boy into the juvenile detention system, where he will most certainly be exposed to young, violent criminals as his main role models.
    but he is a young, violent criminal. should we segregate them all? there's no good answer here.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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