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Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 28.3%
  • No

    Votes: 24 45.3%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 24.5%

  • Total voters
    53

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I'm watching "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on CNN and Mexico's President Felipe Calderon is calling for the U.S. to start legalizing drugs to stop the drug violence in Mexico. He says that the U.S. is the highest consumer in the world of illegal drugs, so U.S. demand dictates the prices for Mexican drug suppliers. So if the U.S. started legalizing drugs, Mexican drug violence would decrease and help bring back order.

So my question is this: if U.S. consumption of illegal drugs is causing problems in Mexico, does the United States have the responsibility to legalize or decriminalize drugs so that Mexico loses it's black market as a drug supplier which will reduce drug violence in Mexico?
 
Yes, absolutely. Legalize heroin also to put Taliban right out of business.

Not to mention ending the war on civil liberties here, and the massive social destruction that comes with making private tragedies a social one.

Camille Paglia excoriated the baby boom generation one time for their craven cowardice in not just maintaining the war on drugs but escalating it. Here here.
 
We must do things for our benefit, the side effects may or may not help the Mexicans.
Legalize, tax, control, and lose freedoms ????
 
Yes, absolutely. Legalize heroin also to put Taliban right out of business.

Not to mention ending the war on civil liberties here, and the massive social destruction that comes with making private tragedies a social one.

Camille Paglia excoriated the baby boom generation one time for their craven cowardice in not just maintaining the war on drugs but escalating it. Here here.
What are you trying to say?

I have a good idea, but I doubt if we have the quality of people to implement these brilliant notions of mine.
 
I'm watching "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on CNN and Mexico's President Felipe Calderon is calling for the U.S. to start legalizing drugs to stop the drug violence in Mexico. He says that the U.S. is the highest consumer in the world of illegal drugs, so U.S. demand dictates the prices for Mexican drug suppliers. So if the U.S. started legalizing drugs, Mexican drug violence would decrease and help bring back order.

So my question is this: if U.S. consumption of illegal drugs is causing problems in Mexico, does the United States have the responsibility to legalize or decriminalize drugs so that Mexico loses it's black market as a drug supplier which will reduce drug violence in Mexico?

Right. All those thousands of criminals would go straight and become model citizens. In reality they would just adapt, increasing other crimes such as extortion, kidnapping, theft. Organized crime does not go away when laws are changed. They just engage in different crimes. The violence could even become worse.

Securing our borders would go a long way to curtailing the Mexican drug trade, not to mention reducing ilegals.
 
Right. All those thousands of criminals would go straight and become model citizens. In reality they would just adapt, increasing other crimes such as extortion, kidnapping, theft. Organized crime does not go away when laws are changed. They just engage in different crimes. The violence could even become worse.

Securing our borders would go a long way to curtailing the Mexican drug trade, not to mention reducing ilegals.

But that doesn't answer the question: Do you believe the U.S. should legalize or decriminalize drugs to reduce drug violence in Mexico?
 
But that doesn't answer the question: Do you believe the U.S. should legalize or decriminalize drugs to reduce drug violence in Mexico?

Pot should be legalized. Addictive drugs like Heroin, crack and Meth should not.
Like I said, I doubt if changing laws will reduce the violence. Those thugs aren't going anywhere and will just switch to something else.
Securing our borders should be the number one priority. If they can get a truckload of drugs in, they can get WMDs in. If the traffickers can not get their drugs across the border the drugs are worthless. We do have the technology and resources to close our borders, just not the determination.
 
Right. All those thousands of criminals would go straight and become model citizens. In reality they would just adapt, increasing other crimes such as extortion, kidnapping, theft. Organized crime does not go away when laws are changed. They just engage in different crimes. The violence could even become worse.

Securing our borders would go a long way to curtailing the Mexican drug trade, not to mention reducing ilegals.

You exagerate. Many would go straight, many wouldn't. The reality is that the massive drug profits generated by prohibition creates an "attractive nuisance" that draws many people who aren't inherently larcenous or violent.
 
Pot should be legalized. Addictive drugs like Heroin, crack and Meth should not.
Like I said, I doubt if changing laws will reduce the violence. Those thugs aren't going anywhere and will just switch to something else.
Securing our borders should be the number one priority. If they can get a truckload of drugs in, they can get WMDs in. If the traffickers can not get their drugs across the border the drugs are worthless. We do have the technology and resources to close our borders, just not the determination.

You may doubt it. But legalizing booze following prohibition surely did decrease violence.
 
Pot should be legalized. Addictive drugs like Heroin, crack and Meth should not.
Like I said, I doubt if changing laws will reduce the violence. Those thugs aren't going anywhere and will just switch to something else.
Securing our borders should be the number one priority. If they can get a truckload of drugs in, they can get WMDs in. If the traffickers can not get their drugs across the border the drugs are worthless. We do have the technology and resources to close our borders, just not the determination.

You have to separate violence that's caused by being under the influence of the drug and violence generated by the fact that it's illegal - junkies robbing people, dealers or illegal cartels blowing away the competition, terrorists funding their ops with drug profits.

The reality is, take away the prohibition and 99 percent of the violence and "non-victimless" crime disappears also.
 
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I'm watching "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on CNN and Mexico's President Felipe Calderon is calling for the U.S. to start legalizing drugs to stop the drug violence in Mexico. He says that the U.S. is the highest consumer in the world of illegal drugs, so U.S. demand dictates the prices for Mexican drug suppliers. So if the U.S. started legalizing drugs, Mexican drug violence would decrease and help bring back order.

So my question is this: if U.S. consumption of illegal drugs is causing problems in Mexico, does the United States have the responsibility to legalize or decriminalize drugs so that Mexico loses it's black market as a drug supplier which will reduce drug violence in Mexico?

No, fuck Mexico. If we do anything for anyone's benefit it should be for our own. Legalizing drugs for the sake of Mexico makes as much sense as banning socialized healthcare so that illegal aliens can't get it.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigration/68780-viva-pre-existing-conditions.html
 
No, fuck Mexico. If we do anything for anyone's benefit it should be for our own. Legalizing drugs for the sake of Mexico makes as much sense as banning socialized healthcare so that illegal aliens can't get it.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigration/68780-viva-pre-existing-conditions.html

Criminal networks cross national boundaries. What we do here (criminalize drugs) affects what happens there. It is globalized. We should do what is best for ourselves and that includes what is best to reduce cross-border criminal operations. Legalizing drugs will go a long way in eliminating these cross-border criminal operations and that is good for both us and Mexico.
 
No, fuck Mexico. If we do anything for anyone's benefit it should be for our own. Legalizing drugs for the sake of Mexico makes as much sense as banning socialized healthcare so that illegal aliens can't get it.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigration/68780-viva-pre-existing-conditions.html

Yeah well, it's hardly in the US's interest for Mexico to fall into anarchy characterized by violence orchestrated by competing drug trade warlords.

We can debate about how likely that extreme outcome, but for discussion's sake lets stipulate that it is correct. Are you so wedded to the putative "benefits" of prohibition that this is a price you'd be willing to pay?
 
I'm watching "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on CNN and Mexico's President Felipe Calderon is calling for the U.S. to start legalizing drugs to stop the drug violence in Mexico. He says that the U.S. is the highest consumer in the world of illegal drugs, so U.S. demand dictates the prices for Mexican drug suppliers. So if the U.S. started legalizing drugs, Mexican drug violence would decrease and help bring back order.

So my question is this: if U.S. consumption of illegal drugs is causing problems in Mexico, does the United States have the responsibility to legalize or decriminalize drugs so that Mexico loses it's black market as a drug supplier which will reduce drug violence in Mexico?

You think the Zetas and other scum in Mexico are just going to say "hey drugs are legal in the US, I guess we can't shoot our competition in Mexico and keep all the profits for our selves anymore"? Does Marijuana and other drugs stop becoming profitable just because there legal? how much is an 1/8 in California and other states with legalized medical Marijuana, I know back in the 90s when I used to smoke an 1/8 was 20 dollars,a dime was 10 dollars, a half oz was 50-60 dollars and an oz was 100-120 dollars and I think a quarter pound was around 250 dollars( I say "I think" because that is what my friends say they purchased that much for, I never purchased anything that big)?
 
Right. All those thousands of criminals would go straight and become model citizens. In reality they would just adapt, increasing other crimes such as extortion, kidnapping, theft. Organized crime does not go away when laws are changed. They just engage in different crimes. The violence could even become worse.

Securing our borders would go a long way to curtailing the Mexican drug trade, not to mention reducing ilegals.

And, exactly, what proof do we have of this?
Remember the prohibition era?.
I maintain that unenforceable laws create the criminals in the first place. When the activity becomes legal, then the criminals become "law abiding citizens".
Rather strange..
I also hold that no rational man wishes to become a criminal..
 
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Yeah well, it's hardly in the US's interest for Mexico to fall into anarchy characterized by violence orchestrated by competing drug trade warlords.

We can debate about how likely that extreme outcome, but for discussion's sake lets stipulate that it is correct. Are you so wedded to the putative "benefits" of prohibition that this is a price you'd be willing to pay?

Again Mexico is totally irrelevant in how we make our laws. If the gangs, cartels and military in Mexico start acting up then we eventually public outcry will demand that we stick the US military on the border and tell them to shoot at anything that does not go through a check point at the border(which is something that should have already been done).
 
Does Marijuana and other drugs stop becoming profitable just because there legal?

Drugs stop being profitable for criminal organizations who make their money smuggling and distributing illegal drugs, when those drugs are legal.
 
And, exactly, what proof do we have of this.
Remember the prohibition era?.
Alcohol is more ingrained into our culture than weed,meth and other drugs.
I maintain that unenforceable laws create the criminals in the first place. When the activity becomes legal, then the criminals become "law abiding citizens".
Rather strange..

Maybe the regular drug dealers over here might become law abiding citizens assuming the government does not impose a **** load of taxes and require a business license to sell marijuana. (which not having those things would defeat one of the reasons for legalization in the first place)
I also hold that no rational man wishes to become a criminal.

People become criminals because it is a quicker way to make money, not because Taco Bell, Burger King,Wal-Mart Home Depot and other places are all out of jobs.
 
Drugs stop being profitable for criminal organizations who make their money smuggling and distributing illegal drugs, when those drugs are legal.

Whats the price of marijuana in California and other states with legalized medicinal marijuana?
 
And, exactly, what proof do we have of this.
Remember the prohibition era?.
I maintain that unenforceable laws create the criminals in the first place. When the activity becomes legal, then the criminals become "law abiding citizens".
Rather strange..
I also hold that no rational man wishes to become a criminal..

Do you honestly believe organized crime folded up after the repeal of prohibition? Organized crime flourished after it was. That is proof.

Mexico should make the manufacture and distribution of drugs legal. At least then they won't have to fight their own people.

Sometimes the only choice a rational man has is to become a criminal.
 
Again Mexico is totally irrelevant in how we make our laws. If the gangs, cartels and military in Mexico start acting up then we eventually public outcry will demand that we stick the US military on the border and tell them to shoot at anything that does not go through a check point at the border(which is something that should have already been done).

And to you that would be a preferable outcome to giving up the putative domestic "benefits" of prohibition?

I know, we're talking about two things here - drug policy, and whether the US should make policy for its own benefit or for that of other countries. Obviously for its own benefit. Equally obvious, what happens in other countries - especially ones with which we share a lengthy border - affects our well being also.

That concept can be abused - "we're all part of a kumbaya global village" - but concern about anarchy in Mexico is hardly that.
 
And to you that would be a preferable outcome to giving up the putative domestic "benefits" of prohibition?

I know, we're talking about two things here - drug policy, and whether the US should make policy for its own benefit or for that of other countries. Obviously for its own benefit. Equally obvious, what happens in other countries - especially ones with which we share a lengthy border - affects our well being also.

This thread poll is asking whether or not we should legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit. So the domestic benefits does not apply in this thread.

That concept can be abused - "we're all part of a kumbaya global village" - but concern about anarchy in Mexico is hardly that.

I consider myself a nationalist/patriot and I think globalist are scum. so that kumbaya global village should be burned down to the ground with every globalist inside of it.
 
Whats the price of marijuana in California and other states with legalized medicinal marijuana?

It varies depending on the quality. It is less than the street price, even with tax added.
 
It varies depending on the quality. It is less than the street price, even with tax added.

So what is the price range? I know when I used to smoke pot back in the 1990s a dime sack was $10, 1/8 was $20. half oz around $50-$60 dollars and oz was around $100-$120. What did the price drop down to in states with legalized marijuana?
 
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[GOOGLE]Do you honestly believe organized crime folded up after the repeal of prohibition?Of course not, but, to remain criminal, they had to find other appropriate activities. Not difficult, either but with man's avarice, envy and greed.. Organized crime flourished after it was. That is proof. No, that is only a statement of your opinion.
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Its only logical that when an activity becomes legal, its practitioners must be no longer law-breakers..
Common sense.
What man says is opinion ,not proof.
Statistics and some verse behind them, these, I'd like to find...
 
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