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Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 28.3%
  • No

    Votes: 24 45.3%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 24.5%

  • Total voters
    53
Because we make recreational drugs a crime.

Simple, to the point, and correct.

Next question, how much longer can we afford to keep more people locked up in jail than any other nation, and still expect to be competitive in the international marketplace?

I think another simple and to the point answer could be given here.
 
Because we make recreational drugs a crime.

Do you mean recreational drug use is a crime, or recreational drugs are a crime? I'm gonna assume you're trying to say that personal amounts of drugs without intent to sell is illegal and the drug you're referring to is marijuana?

I support the legalization of marijuana. I've never met an inmate incarcerated for beating his wife because he took too many bong hits.

But weed is illegal and there's nothing you can do about it. The law is the law...but that marijuana law is due to expire in the near future. Everyone's waiting to see what California is gonna do, and if California decriminalizes weed then the rest of the country will follow suit.
 
No, You seem to be ignorant on the realistic side of illegal narcotics. I still haven't seen anyone post the answer to my original question: 'What are the addicts going to do during the transitional period of illegal to legal?' And no Goldenboy, "Do drugs of course" isn't gonna get it for a logical answer.

So lemme tell ya what will happen on day one of "legal drugs".

1) Prices on the remainder of narcotics still sitting in the US will skyrocket. coke, heroin, weed, ecstasy, meth, will be in an alarming demand. The street level dealers will be even more aggressive which will then lead to a rise in violent crimes, and turf wars.


Wait, people are gonna pick up meth because it would be legal? People don't avoid crack and meth because they're illegal. It's because they're freaking crack and meth!! People avoid them, because they're dangerous.

2) When the street level dealers supply runs out (which wont take long), The coke addicts will be hit the hardest during this "narcotics transition". The coke addicts will then have to resort to crystal meth, and once the meth addiction takes hold amongst the former coke heads then you can pretty much write them off.(RIP) With the sudden demand in meth we will then see a rise in meth labs which will then add a 50% markup on meth itself. So the coke dealers are now in the meth game and we all know what meth labs do to communities around the nation.


Wait, coke addicts use meth to satisfy their coke addiction?

3) Ecstasy "addicts" (which are few and far between) Will just have to do without their party favors for awhile. Or at least til Phizer starts pumping out Ecstacy for all the rave kids.:roll: Worst case they will resort to pharmaceuticals which will also put a rise in crime. (Anytime addicts and it's dealers are forced to shift to new drugs and new sellers there's always a spike in crime.)



So with all this there will be a major shift and skyrocket of crime from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

Your assertions rely on the assumption that legalization would make the cartels go away almost immediately after drugs are legalized. Nobody has claimed that.
 
Wait, people are gonna pick up meth because it would be legal? People don't avoid crack and meth because they're illegal. It's because they're freaking crack and meth!! People avoid them, because they're dangerous.




Wait, coke addicts use meth to satisfy their coke addiction?



Your assertions rely on the assumption that legalization would make the cartels go away almost immediately after drugs are legalized. Nobody has claimed that.

Fair enough! Lets just both agree that if drugs were to become legal then the best way to distribute the narcotics would be through manufactures like Phizer. It will be rough goin at first but it will eventually pan out.

And for Mexico, Lets just pray the cartels will eventually dissolve during all this.
 
Wait, people are gonna pick up meth because it would be legal? People don't avoid crack and meth because they're illegal. It's because they're freaking crack and meth!! People avoid them, because they're dangerous.




Wait, coke addicts use meth to satisfy their coke addiction?



Your assertions rely on the assumption that legalization would make the cartels go away almost immediately after drugs are legalized. Nobody has claimed that.

it seems it does not even have to get to the point where drugs are sold legally, just the rumor of legalization in the pipeline will make all the drug dealers go away leaving countless addicts high and dry :doh
 
it seems it does not even have to get to the point where drugs are sold legally, just the rumor of legalization in the pipeline will make all the drug dealers go away leaving countless addicts high and dry :doh

:)Alright wise guy whens the last time you ingested, snorted, shot, or smoked illegal narcotics?
 
I have not read this whole thread so if this has already been said? Forgive me.

Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit? NO

Should the U.S. legalize drugs for the USA's benefit? YES
 
Fair enough! Lets just both agree that if drugs were to become legal then the best way to distribute the narcotics would be through manufactures like Phizer. It will be rough goin at first but it will eventually pan out.

And for Mexico, Lets just pray the cartels will eventually dissolve during all this.

Did you suddenly get an epiphany and realize what we are talking about here or are you being facetious? This is what everyone has been saying to you all along, and this is the critical difference between legalization and decriminalization.

Which btw.. it seems you do not know the difference between the 2. Reading through this thread I have seen you misuse both terms, or treat them like they are synonyms.. they absolutely are not.

Decriminalization is merely making it akin to a parking ticket for minor possession, it still leaves the black market intact, and in fact encourages it to thrive since it is still illegal to distribute drugs - this is not a solution, and it also is not what the subject of this thread is. Decrim is a concession, and a half measure that addresses a few minor problems, while ignoring the major ones.

Decrims only practicality is that it is all that can be done currently due to international treaty (Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, and its sister treaties), and is a necessary baby step that will take off a few pressures, and show that a change in policy will not equate to the sky falling, it is a necessary (albeit flawed) stepping stone to ultimately changing opinion, and drug policy globally.

legalization is another animal though, this is where the scenario you mention above comes into play, legitimate business interests can now get involved in legal (yet regulated) distribution.. and yes it will starve the black market until it is a mere shadow of its former self.
 
:)Alright wise guy whens the last time you ingested, snorted, shot, or smoked illegal narcotics?

It has been years, a desire to use drugs is absolutely NOT why I am for legalization.

I have witnessed lives very near and dear to me both ruined and ended as a result of drugs, drug dealing, and drug addiction- casualties of the "War on Drugs"
 
Did you suddenly get an epiphany and realize what we are talking about here or are you being facetious? This is what everyone has been saying to you all along, and this is the critical difference between legalization and decriminalization.

Which btw.. it seems you do not know the difference between the 2. Reading through this thread I have seen you misuse both terms, or treat them like they are synonyms.. they absolutely are not.

Decriminalization is merely making it akin to a parking ticket for minor possession, it still leaves the black market intact, and in fact encourages it to thrive since it is still illegal to distribute drugs - this is not a solution, and it also is not what the subject of this thread is. Decrim is a concession, and a half measure that addresses a few minor problems, while ignoring the major ones.

Decrims only practicality is that it is all that can be done currently due to international treaty (Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, and its sister treaties), and is a necessary baby step that will take off a few pressures, and show that a change in policy will not equate to the sky falling, it is a necessary (albeit flawed) stepping stone to ultimately changing opinion, and drug policy globally.

legalization is another animal though, this is where the scenario you mention above comes into play, legitimate business interests can now get involved in legal (yet regulated) distribution.. and yes it will starve the black market until it is a mere shadow of its former self.

Noooo, At first we were talking about what would happen to the cartels in Mexico and how would they react to legalizing drugs. I'm just meeting you guys half way on the cartel thing. Instead of being negative I'm gonna choose hope on this one.(for the good of the thread)

I'm just giving you guys my opinion on how i envision narcotics being legalized. I'm not against the legalization I'm just saying there's gonna be major hurtles to jump before it's a well oiled machine. I dunno i guess i gave off the impression that i was pro-drug cartel(which I'm not). I wanna see crime and murder drop just as much as the next guy. I live in a black and white world. the law is the law and it's either illegal or legal. One joint is just the same as one pound. It's both illegal.
 
This thread's kind of dragging on. I propose a raging cocaine party.
 
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Your theories to the decriminalization of narcs is astounding!! Sounds like you've never been caught up in the drug game.(which is a good thing)

And from your sentiments, you sound as though you never sold illicit drugs before (which is a good thing).

Bout a quarter of the inmates (little over half million) are serving for DRO. Why?

If those inmates begin to dwindle down due to legalization, what does that mean for the number of corrections officers demanded by the city/county/state/federal government?

The first wave of "job creation" will be in the form of industry development. The following "waves" will be in the form of efficiency and market mechanisms.
 
Don't forget the hookers.

How can anyone forget the hookers?!?!?!

The two "charity events" hosted by these parties will completely out raise any other political organization :mrgreen:
 
And from your sentiments, you sound as though you never sold illicit drugs before (which is a good thing).



If those inmates begin to dwindle down due to legalization, what does that mean for the number of corrections officers demanded by the city/county/state/federal government?

The first wave of "job creation" will be in the form of industry development. The following "waves" will be in the form of efficiency and market mechanisms.

1) Actually i use to be on the other side of the law in my early days. This was obviously before i changed my ways.(which is a good thing)

2) The prisons and jails will always be maxed out. Actually now that i think about it if narcs were legalized then obviously there wouldn't be as many inmates with DRC's. We could end the home incarceration program and best of all make violent offenders and child molesters serve out their time without parole. The HI program and early releases are the side effects of overcrowded prisons.
 
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No, only a druggie would support legalizing any drugs.
 
I heard "hookers" and "cocaine" so I thought I needed to pop on over here...
 
I heard "hookers" and "cocaine" so I thought I needed to pop on over here...

Go home. We finished with both of them 3 days ago. :2razz:
 
But I posted on this thread first.

No you did not. You are near the last page. There are a lot of drug threads at dp and all of them have many posts. I suggest you read them first.:2wave:
 
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