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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What is the crime is consuming drugs? What is the ethical basis for it being a crime?
    The crimes are the manufacturing, sales, smuggling, murder, tax evasion and extortion associated with the drug industry. Consuming is the least of it. Most consumers(except pot) are addicts that have no control over their actions.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Legalization of recreational drugs here would opens up competition here in the US, it does not open it up in other countries. Unless you seal the border the cartels are still going to sell their goods and shoot whatever competition they can.
    Corona competes with Anheuser-Busch, but I don't see any breweries being bombed.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I used to buy Russian Marlboro cigarettes from the internet around 6 years ago when my state enacted higher cigarette taxes. So I went to a cheaper source. Unless legal pot dramatically decreases in price it is not going to discourage the cartels and other groups from trying to profit from it.
    Legalization of drugs is not meant to discourage cartels from trying to profit from drugs but rather to discourage cartels from using violence against each other, police officers, and bystanders.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Whats the price of marijuana in California and other states with legalized medicinal marijuana?
    What a silly way to try to bolster your argument that competition and price points will not effect cartels. These people are currently paying these prices in a quasi-legalized setting and as a result are not buying them illegally from cartels, your own argument defeats itself.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Legalization of recreational drugs here would opens up competition here in the US, it does not open it up in other countries. Unless you seal the border the cartels are still going to sell their goods and shoot whatever competition they can.
    The illegal trade will be a small fraction of what it currently is. Their cash flow will shrink by the billions. It has nothing to do with sealing the border.

    I used to buy Russian Marlboro cigarettes from the internet around 6 years ago when my state enacted higher cigarette taxes. So I went to a cheaper source. Unless legal pot dramatically decreases in price it is not going to discourage the cartels and other groups from trying to profit from it.
    They will try to profit from it and they will make some sales but a fraction of what they do now. There will be a price war and the cartels will lose.

    Most people will go to the legal dispensaries to buy.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    The crimes are the manufacturing, sales, smuggling, murder, tax evasion and extortion associated with the drug industry. Consuming is the least of it. Most consumers(except pot) are addicts that have no control over their actions.
    Make manufacturing, sales, and exportation of drugs legal. Murder and extortion would decrease rapidly. Tax evasion would be the same as there is with any other industry. Include taxes on the drug industry to pay for public and private addiction treatment programs.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    The crimes are the manufacturing, sales, smuggling, murder, tax evasion and extortion associated with the drug industry. Consuming is the least of it. Most consumers(except pot) are addicts that have no control over their actions.
    I asked specifically about the crime in consuming. Not the manufacturing, sales, smuggling, murder, tax evasion and extortion associated with the drug industry. I do not expect an answer that they are currently illegal therefore a crime. I want an ethical argument for why consuming drugs should be a crime.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Most people will go to the legal dispensaries to buy.
    I agree with this. I think that if drugs were legalized, companies would jump on it and they would create franchise businesses dressed up like McDonalds or Applebees to cater to recreational drug consumers and people would rather go there than to some kind sitting on the curb of the street, just like most Americans prefer to go to franchise restaurants rather than eat meat on a stick that's been sitting out all day from some vendor who got the meat from who-knows-where.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Mexico decrminilized drugs last year. How has that worked out for them? Has the cartel violence gotten better, or worse?

    You have to ask what honey pot Caldorone has his hand in, if he wants to do something as stupid as legalizing drugs.
    This crap got solidly smacked down by several people in another thread. do you just deliberately ignore information that destroys your opinion?

    here is just one of numerous smackdowns on this point that you still are determined to parrot:

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What kind of moron would have expected the decriminalization of penalties for possession of small amounts of pot to have a positive effect on violence between cartels that traffic tens of thousands of kilos of pot/cocaine/heroin?

    The point of decriminalizing small amounts of drugs is to reduce spending on pointless prosecutions and, in Mexico's case, to prevent corrupt cops from shaking down small time users.

    The two are entirely unrelated.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    This crap got solidly smacked down by several people in another thread. do you just deliberately ignore information that destroys your opinion?

    here is just one of numerous smackdowns on this point that you still are determined to parrot:
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Securing our borders would go a long way to curtailing the Mexican drug trade, not to mention reducing ilegals.
    Not really.

    It would just make the drugs more expensive, the business more violent, and the duties of the border patrol more dangerous.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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