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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    While Mexico may have decriminalized drugs, they are still criminal here in the U.S., and State Department estimates say that 70% of marijuana and 90% of the cocaine that enters the U.S. flows in from Mexico. Mexican cartels aren't committing violence for control of the drug trade in Mexico but rather for control of the flow of drugs into the United States. U.S. consumption of drugs is what's fueling Mexican drug cartels. Cartels aren't fighting to make money off of drugs from other Mexicans but rather from Americans.

    So, the cartels are going to start playing nice, just because drugs are legal in the United States? Somehow, I seriously doubt that.

    I think that instead of the United States legalizing drugs, Mexico should look into a serious death penalty for cartel members. It's not our fault that they can't fight crime that is committed in their own country.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So what is the price range? I know when I used to smoke pot back in the 1990s a dime sack was $10, 1/8 was $20. half oz around $50-$60 dollars and oz was around $100-$120. What did the price drop down to in states with legalized marijuana?
    I did a little research and it is not as cut and dry as I made it out to be. In the dispensaries, they are not selling Mexican dirt weed. They are selling high-end hydroponic. It ranges from $300 - $700 per Z.

    It has been about 6 years since I smoked and bought off the street. As I recall it was $40 for an eighth, $80 for a quarter. So that's like $250 for a Z with bulk discount. That was for the kind, not the dirt weed.

    I think that prices will sort themselves out to: 1) eliminate organized crime from the smuggling, transportation and distribution of marijuana of all grades 2) promote the development of high-grade growers where current illegal growers will become legal, 3) collect taxes for the government.

    One big reason is the government establishing legal distribution points. Who knows, perhaps they will sell dirt weed on the blue light special for $100/Z.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, the cartels are going to start playing nice, just because drugs are legal in the United States? Somehow, I seriously doubt that.

    I think that instead of the United States legalizing drugs, Mexico should look into a serious death penalty for cartel members. It's not our fault that they can't fight crime that is committed in their own country.
    apdst, we are we on opposite sides of this debate, I tell you!

    The bottom line and what we should have learned years ago is the War of Drugs creates crime and criminal enterprise by keeping drugs illegal and challenging the free flow of the products. Criminal enterprises are created to smuggle, transport and distribute drugs. Making them legal eliminates all of that.

    If Mexican gangs earn 60% of their revenue from marijuana, the rest from hard drugs, making marijuana legal will eliminate 60% of the cash flow. That will hurt them but not eliminate them. Ditto the US street gangs distributing pot.

    I personally feel we should legalize all drugs to eliminate all criminal activity associated with them.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I did a little research and it is not as cut and dry as I made it out to be. In the dispensaries, they are not selling Mexican dirt weed. They are selling high-end hydroponic. It ranges from $300 - $700 per Z.

    It has been about 6 years since I smoked and bought off the street. As I recall it was $40 for an eighth, $80 for a quarter. So that's like $250 for a Z with bulk discount. That was for the kind, not the dirt weed.

    I think that prices will sort themselves out to: 1) eliminate organized crime from the smuggling, transportation and distribution of marijuana of all grades 2) promote the development of high-grade growers where current illegal growers will become legal, 3) collect taxes for the government.

    One big reason is the government establishing legal distribution points. Who knows, perhaps they will sell dirt weed on the blue light special for $100/Z.

    So in other words legalization does not reduce profitability.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, the cartels are going to start playing nice, just because drugs are legal in the United States? Somehow, I seriously doubt that.
    Most likely, most drug cartels would operate legitimate recreational drug companies to produce recreational drugs for Americans. They would also have to start competing with legitimate recreational drug companies here in the U.S. While some may seek other illegal activities to profit off of, I think most would go legit since it could operate with fewer costs in violence from both the government and other cartels.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think that instead of the United States legalizing drugs, Mexico should look into a serious death penalty for cartel members. It's not our fault that they can't fight crime that is committed in their own country.
    But the crime in Mexico is being committed because of U.S. consumption of drugs. If the U.S. didn't consume drugs, Mexican cartels wouldn't provide them. But we do, for various reasons. And because keeping drugs illegal makes it a black market, the cartels decide the prices of those drugs. Because of this, the illegal drug trade is one of the few profitable trade that Mexicans have. Estimates say that the drug trade in Mexico earns $13.6-$48.4 billion annually. That money employs and provides for a large number of Mexicans.

    Basically, Mexico has few sources of income from other nations. The two major sources of income that Mexico has from the U.S., it's most major trading partner, is labor and drugs. And those are the two things that many American politicians want to prohibit.

    Mexican cartels aren't in the criminal drug trade because they want to be criminals but rather because it's one of the major sources of revenue they have flowing into their country. If they didn't trade in drugs, they wouldn't have any better source of income to provide for their people.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I personally feel we should legalize all drugs to eliminate all criminal activity associated with them.
    If we legalized all crimes there would be no criminals.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    If we legalized all crimes there would be no criminals.
    Not all crimes are worth turning people into criminals over.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So in other words legalization does not reduce profitability.
    Perhaps not but it does eliminate the cash flow to the criminal enterprises. How big is the cigarette black market?

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    If we legalized all crimes there would be no criminals.
    What is the crime is consuming drugs? What is the ethical basis for it being a crime?

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Perhaps not but it does eliminate the cash flow to the criminal enterprises.
    Legalization of recreational drugs here would opens up competition here in the US, it does not open it up in other countries. Unless you seal the border the cartels are still going to sell their goods and shoot whatever competition they can.

    How big is the cigarette black market?
    I used to buy Russian Marlboro cigarettes from the internet around 6 years ago when my state enacted higher cigarette taxes. So I went to a cheaper source. Unless legal pot dramatically decreases in price it is not going to discourage the cartels and other groups from trying to profit from it.
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