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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

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    No, I am on a mission for the millions of non-smokers who are fed up with people spreading propaganda about how their dumb drug addiction is beneficial.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    I'm so confused... I came for the hookers and coke and I'm left with puppets going to betty ford

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    It is remarkable to me how broad the political support for legalization is on this board. I seem to recall some "very conservative" members who were against it, but the center-right all the way over to far left seems to be in support. Am I wrong in my impression?

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It is remarkable to me how broad the political support for legalization is on this board. I seem to recall some "very conservative" members who were against it, but the center-right all the way over to far left seems to be in support. Am I wrong in my impression?
    I would say you are probably correct. The reasons for it's support are probably quite varied, but the essence of support is fairly consistent. It's one of those rare times that you will find a libertarian and a progressive agreeing, though for different reasons.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would say you are probably correct. The reasons for it's support are probably quite varied, but the essence of support is fairly consistent. It's one of those rare times that you will find a libertarian and a progressive agreeing, though for different reasons.
    That's freaking awesome!

    I hadn't taken the time to understand the reasons a libertarian and a progressive would use for legalization or that they were different. What are the reasons, respectively?

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That's freaking awesome!

    I hadn't taken the time to understand the reasons a libertarian and a progressive would use for legalization or that they were different. What are the reasons, respectively?
    Well, libertarians and progressives won't argue that people should be free to use some recreational drugs, especially marijuana. After all, both groups tend to be socially liberal.

    Where you will get the disconnect is in the economics of legalizing drugs. Libertarians will want a laissez-faire system without regulation, while progressives will want regulations and taxing of recreational drugs. That is when the arguments will commence.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, libertarians and progressives won't argue that people should be free to use some recreational drugs, especially marijuana. After all, both groups tend to be socially liberal.

    Where you will get the disconnect is in the economics of legalizing drugs. Libertarians will want a laissez-faire system without regulation, while progressives will want regulations and taxing of recreational drugs. That is when the arguments will commence.
    I am liberally inclined but I don't want to see it taxed, hell no.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I am liberally inclined but I don't want to see it taxed, hell no.
    I wouldn't mind seeing it taxed so it can go to drug treatment centers. Just because I think drugs should be legalized doesn't mean I think drug addicts if they don't want to stay that way. If the government is going to allow drugs to be taken, the government should also help people get off drugs for those who choose.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I wouldn't mind seeing it taxed so it can go to drug treatment centers. Just because I think drugs should be legalized doesn't mean I think drug addicts if they don't want to stay that way. If the government is going to allow drugs to be taken, the government should also help people get off drugs for those who choose.
    I wish they would do that for tobacco addicts.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I wish they would do that for tobacco addicts.
    They do in some states, I took advantage of this in Florida when I quit, with that program they sent you at no cost a full 12 week supply of your choice of patches, lozenges, or gum (for a baseline 2 weeks of patches retails at ~$35), plus gave phone counseling sessions as well.

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    As far as the taxation of drugs, I am all for taxation of them so long as top priorities for these funds are to pay for the cost of treatment when needed, and to prevent new users from starting in the first place (delaying age of 1st use is CRITICAL here).

    What I consider the ideal scenario is a two pronged distribution method for hard drugs.

    1) pay to play - if you want to use recreationally, so be it, your body, your prerogative., you pay and are taxed for this - with the funds from this supporting rehab programs open to all, and also to support the other prong,

    2) Free maintenance - This is for the bottom of the barrel down and out cases, if an addiction goes to the point where you would be stealing, or selling your body, or whatever.. there will be maintenance dose available for free.. you must go to a clinical setting and have the drug administered there.. in this setting the user would slowly build trust with trained specialists (ideally one assigned their "case") who can at least look out for their well being, and try to persuade the user to get the treatment they need to kick their habit.

    unfortunately case 2 segregates for the poorest of the poor, and does not address the addict who is able to finance his habit, for them the best we could do is to offer treatment minus the negative stigma and the cost, and hope they seek it out.
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