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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think you have hit on the final solution to drug addiction. Just make the transition from illegal to legal drugs, but do it in a way that takes a few months to accomplish. Since, as you affirm, drugs will be unavailable in the interim, the addicts will have to do without for that time. During a few months of unavailability, addicts will be forced to kick the habit. Perfect solution to the epidemic of drug abuse.

    Does anyone see even a tiny little problem with that idea?
    The problem I see ain't tiny. How did the supply dry up overnight? This guy doesn't know his ____ from his right hand holding it.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    During a few months of unavailability, addicts will be forced to kick the habit. Perfect solution to the epidemic of drug abuse.

    They'll find other narcotics to feed their addiction but as soon as they find their drug of choice they'll be back in it. Addictions takes years, sometimes a lifetime to kick.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The problem I see ain't tiny. How did the supply dry up overnight? This guy doesn't know his ____ from his right hand holding it.
    HOW did it dry up over night!!??? It's called an urgency in supply and demand! And just how much narcotics do you think dealers have "stashed" away for a rainy day?! Wake up dude!
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    No, You seem to be ignorant on the realistic side of illegal narcotics. I still haven't seen anyone post the answer to my original question: 'What are the addicts going to do during the transitional period of illegal to legal?' And no Goldenboy, "Do drugs of course" isn't gonna get it for a logical answer.
    Here is a more realistic way this would work:

    drugs become legal, part 1:

    Coca: purchase of raw materials/manufacturing starts, legit companies, corporations buy raw coca leaves directly from farmers unions in Bolivia, and Peru (and pay more than the pittance the farmers currenty receive), Mexican cartel cannot interfere here since they are not in these countries, nor will they know which cargo containers going through Mexico (if in fact they even go through Mexico, and not via boat)) are loaded with coca leaves, or processed cocaine. No Mexican Cartel boogeyman able to interfere anywhere yet,

    -Mexicans still smuggle in and sell their processed cocaine since there is no US supply yet- addicts still have their fix.

    Opium: Drug companies use existing legitimate supplies of opium from India and elsewhere,and expand into other regions (you do know there is already supplies of opium completely independent of the black market already right? - all the stuff our morphine, and oxycodone, ect.), and begin purchasing from other locations, including Afghanistan. again, no Mexican Cartel boogeyman here. there is a Taliban presence in Afghanistan, but who knows what the future will hold there, too bad this is not already in place, what better way to starve them of revenue and influence over the Afghan people, especially since we have our Army there to deal with them.

    regardless.. Opium, again no mexican Cartels where our supply would come from, and since there is no way legal way to get the drugs yet, the black market supply is still there for the addict.

    drugs become legal part 2: The legitimate companies process and manufacture the raw materials into drugs, no cartels needed nor welcome here. They then transport the manufactured drugs to prepare for distribution, again even if for some reason this involved shipping through Mexico, the Mexican cartels have no way of knowing which cargo containers have drugs, so again no Mexican boogeyman here.

    Of course the addicts still cannot get their fix from a legal source yet, and naturally those in the drug trade will still peddle their goods so long as the opportunity is there, so they still have supply to their fix.

    phase 3: distribution of legal supply begins, and now the addicts have a choice, buy drugs of a known purity legal from a legit source, or continue to buy from the black market source. (taking this a step further, an addict should have an option for a free fix at a clinic where there are trained counselors that would see them regularly).

    there will be no disruption in the supply, the black market will be there until it is starved out by competition. Also there is no conceivable way for the Mexican cartels to influence the legal trade, they are not where the raw materials are grown, and they won't be involved in purchasing/manufacture, transport, or distribution either.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Here is a more realistic way this would work:

    drugs become legal, part 1:

    Coca: purchase of raw materials/manufacturing starts, legit companies, corporations buy raw coca leaves directly from farmers unions in Bolivia, and Peru (and pay more than the pittance the farmers currenty receive), Mexican cartel cannot interfere here since they are not in these countries, nor will they know which cargo containers going through Mexico (if in fact they even go through Mexico, and not via boat)) are loaded with coca leaves, or processed cocaine. No Mexican Cartel boogeyman able to interfere anywhere yet,

    -Mexicans still smuggle in and sell their processed cocaine since there is no US supply yet- addicts still have their fix.

    Opium: Drug companies use existing legitimate supplies of opium from India and elsewhere,and expand into other regions (you do know there is already supplies of opium completely independent of the black market already right? - all the stuff our morphine, and oxycodone, ect.), and begin purchasing from other locations, including Afghanistan. again, no Mexican Cartel boogeyman here. there is a Taliban presence in Afghanistan, but who knows what the future will hold there, too bad this is not already in place, what better way to starve them of revenue and influence over the Afghan people, especially since we have our Army there to deal with them.

    regardless.. Opium, again no mexican Cartels where our supply would come from, and since there is no way legal way to get the drugs yet, the black market supply is still there for the addict.

    drugs become legal part 2: The legitimate companies process and manufacture the raw materials into drugs, no cartels needed nor welcome here. They then transport the manufactured drugs to prepare for distribution, again even [i]if[/] for some reason this involved shipping through Mexico, the Mexican cartels have no way of knowing which cargo containers have drugs, so again no Mexican boogeyman here.

    Of course the addicts still cannot get their fix from a legal source yet, and naturally those in the drug trade will still peddle their goods so long as the opportunity is there, so they still have supply to their fix.

    phase 3: distribution of legal supply begins, and now the addicts have a choice, buy drugs of a known purity legal from a legit source, or continue to buy from the black market source. (taking this a step further, an addict should have an option for a free fix at a clinic where there are trained counselors that would see them regularly).

    there will be no disruption in the supply, the black market will be there until it is starved out by competition. Also there is no conceivable way for the Mexican cartels to influence the legal trade, they are not where the raw materials are grown, and they won't be involved in purchasing/manufacture, transport, or distribution either.
    Everything fits on the blueprints...

    Like i mentioned earlier in this thread: The tentacles of the cartels runs far and wide....And sometimes it's hard to distinguish from the good guys and the bad.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    If it weren't so profitable then why do stores buy counterfeit goods instead of the real thing? There will always be a cartel and it will have members. IF drugs are legalized who is to say that the stores that sell drugs won't be selling stuff made by the cartels instead of the government made drugs? I cannot see Pfizer or Merck all of sudden taking a large interest in the selling and distribution of cocaine, herion, crystal meth, etc. So really just because you make it legal does not mean that the cartels are not going to be the ones still controlling the market.
    Alcohol Prohibition was a totally different thing to the illegal drug trade that gives the cartels their money.
    Do stores buy counterfeit alcohol? Of course not, because the business is regulated and monitored along every step of the way, and some random guy running a liquor or convenience store is not going to run the risk of losing his business for something so foolish.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Everything fits on the blueprints...

    Like i mentioned earlier in this thread: The tentacles of the cartels runs far and wide....And sometimes it's hard to distinguish from the good guys and the bad.
    alright Mr. doomsday. Your boogeyman is going to be locked in the closet, if any tentacles peek under the door they are much easier to lop off at that point.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    alright Mr. doomsday. Your boogeyman is going to be locked in the closet, if any tentacles peek under the door they are much easier to lop off at that point.
    I always think the worse when it comes to the heavy narcotics business.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The problem I see ain't tiny. How did the supply dry up overnight? This guy doesn't know his ____ from his right hand holding it.
    Oh, you have found the problem, whether it, or the item being held in the hand, is tiny or not is up for dispute.

    But, the bottom line is, there is no way that the supply of drugs is going to dry up, even temporarily.

    We can't even keep them out of prisons.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    HOW did it dry up over night!!??? It's called an urgency in supply and demand! And just how much narcotics do you think dealers have "stashed" away for a rainy day?! Wake up dude!
    What caused the supply to dry up again? I thought you have been telling us that the illegal supply will continue to dominate the market. Which is it? Is your ass talking?

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