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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    You are living in a dream world. It won't work out that way, there will always be a black market for drugs even if it is regulated by this impossibile to corrupt USA government officials.
    A greatly diminished black market. With drugs being illegal, the black market obtains all of the demand. When drugs are legal, the black market obtains the demand pertaining to illegality; i.e. age.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    You are living in a dream world. It won't work out that way, there will always be a black market for drugs even if it is regulated by this impossibile to corrupt USA government officials.
    What are you talking about? How can a black market be regulated? That would make it a legal market, no?

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What are you talking about? How can a black market be regulated? That would make it a legal market, no?
    No, it would make it a legal market. But still I am saying that just because it is legal does not mean that there won't be black market stuff on sale.
    Remember that it costs to make and bring an kilo of cocaine roughly .12Cents. If the stores were selling it for .80 an ounce without the taxes, that still is a huge profit for that kilo trafficked into the US. What I am saying is that the market cannot be as tightly regulated as you believe it can be.
    So if it is legal, the legal and regulated stuff might cost for an ounce of cocaine 4bucks(there are 35 ounces in a kilogram so 4 x 35= 140bucks and expenses equal .12 x 35= 4.2bucks. 140 - 4.2= 135.8bucks and half that for the 2bucks you get 67.9 bucks. That is a pretty big profit) but the cartels can still bring that stuff in and sell it for 2bucks with a big profit margin. Its not that expensive to produce and export cocaine or herion. And remember that there are plenty of public officials willing to take a bribe even here in the US.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    No, it would make it a legal market. But still I am saying that just because it is legal does not mean that there won't be black market stuff on sale.
    Remember that it costs to make and bring an kilo of cocaine roughly .12Cents. If the stores were selling it for .80 an ounce without the taxes, that still is a huge profit for that kilo trafficked into the US. What I am saying is that the market cannot be as tightly regulated as you believe it can be.
    So if it is legal, the legal and regulated stuff might cost for an ounce of cocaine 4bucks(there are 35 ounces in a kilogram so 4 x 35= 140bucks and expenses equal .12 x 35= 4.2bucks. 140 - 4.2= 135.8bucks and half that for the 2bucks you get 67.9 bucks. That is a pretty big profit) but the cartels can still bring that stuff in and sell it for 2bucks with a big profit margin. Its not that expensive to produce and export cocaine or herion. And remember that there are plenty of public officials willing to take a bribe even here in the US.
    You're high.

    It costs more to smuggle in a kilo of coke than to produce it locally and sell it legally.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You're high.

    It costs more to smuggle in a kilo of coke than to produce it locally and sell it legally.
    I am not high it is too early for that.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    No, it would make it a legal market. But still I am saying that just because it is legal does not mean that there won't be black market stuff on sale.
    Remember that it costs to make and bring an kilo of cocaine roughly .12Cents. If the stores were selling it for .80 an ounce without the taxes, that still is a huge profit for that kilo trafficked into the US. What I am saying is that the market cannot be as tightly regulated as you believe it can be.
    So if it is legal, the legal and regulated stuff might cost for an ounce of cocaine 4bucks(there are 35 ounces in a kilogram so 4 x 35= 140bucks and expenses equal .12 x 35= 4.2bucks. 140 - 4.2= 135.8bucks and half that for the 2bucks you get 67.9 bucks. That is a pretty big profit) but the cartels can still bring that stuff in and sell it for 2bucks with a big profit margin. Its not that expensive to produce and export cocaine or herion. And remember that there are plenty of public officials willing to take a bribe even here in the US.
    That is a pretty bold assertion. As you have stated, it is relatively cheap to produce. Why is it you believe back water industries will be more efficient in production given US productivity per hour is at the top of the mountain? Your story and theory have far to many "what if's" to be considered an accurate representation.

    The reality in California regarding cannabis already negates your theory.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    I am not high it is too early for that.
    That never used to stop me before - wake and bake.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Poppy seeds and placeebos get me high and (oh yeah) west virginia.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do drugs of course. The day drugs are legalized, it will not instantaniously drop prices to the point where it is unprofitable for suppliers to embark on their journey for profits.

    Regardless, you seem ignorant as to the labor/capital ratio for drug manufacturing. The narcotic manufacturers already exist: we refer to them as Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Johnson and Johnson, Glaxco-Smith, etc....

    But from the perspectives you have been arguing from; i suspect you are have a financial stake in drugs being illegal. Are you a cop/dea/probation officer/warden/etc...???
    No, You seem to be ignorant on the realistic side of illegal narcotics. I still haven't seen anyone post the answer to my original question: 'What are the addicts going to do during the transitional period of illegal to legal?' And no Goldenboy, "Do drugs of course" isn't gonna get it for a logical answer.

    So lemme tell ya what will happen on day one of "legal drugs".

    1) Prices on the remainder of narcotics still sitting in the US will skyrocket. coke, heroin, weed, ecstasy, meth, will be in an alarming demand. The street level dealers will be even more aggressive which will then lead to a rise in violent crimes, and turf wars.

    2) When the street level dealers supply runs out (which wont take long), The coke addicts will be hit the hardest during this "narcotics transition". The coke addicts will then have to resort to crystal meth, and once the meth addiction takes hold amongst the former coke heads then you can pretty much write them off.(RIP) With the sudden demand in meth we will then see a rise in meth labs which will then add a 50% markup on meth itself. So the coke dealers are now in the meth game and we all know what meth labs do to communities around the nation.

    3) Ecstasy "addicts" (which are few and far between) Will just have to do without their party favors for awhile. Or at least til Phizer starts pumping out Ecstacy for all the rave kids. Worst case they will resort to pharmaceuticals which will also put a rise in crime. (Anytime addicts and it's dealers are forced to shift to new drugs and new sellers there's always a spike in crime.)

    4) Pot heads will now depend on the US growers for their supply which will inevitably raise the price on marijuana. Being that pot growers have always been harvesting a large portion of the countries marijuana this wont be to harsh of a transition. I'm still baffled that the Mexican cartels found a market for a drug that we can grow and grow much better. (Whether or not the law clamps down on "legal illegal" pot growers during this time is a good question)

    5) Heroin addicts will experience the easiest of these transitions. Luckily for them they will have access to the methadone clinics which will fill the void in their fix. The fact that most heroin comes from Europe we will then see a major spike in east coast crime and competition for turf. Street level dealers in Baltimore and Philadelphia will be hit the hardest. Most of these dealers major income come from the heroin trade. Their minor income comes from cocaine. Once these two drugs are no longer available they will more that likely enter the meth trade. This transition will be particularly dicey because of the outlaw biker gangs notorious grip on east coast meth. No these dealers aren't going to look at other business ventures. Selling drugs is what they do and will always do.

    So with all this there will be a major shift and skyrocket of crime from the Atlantic to the Pacific.


    Btw: I'm a Metro Corrections Officer/ 3rd shift. Why would i have a financial stake in illegal drugs?
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    No, You seem to be ignorant on the realistic side of illegal narcotics. I still haven't seen anyone post the answer to my original question: 'What are the addicts going to do during the transitional period of illegal to legal?' And no Goldenboy, "Do drugs of course" isn't gonna get it for a logical answer.
    I think you have hit on the final solution to drug addiction. Just make the transition from illegal to legal drugs, but do it in a way that takes a few months to accomplish. Since, as you affirm, drugs will be unavailable in the interim, the addicts will have to do without for that time. During a few months of unavailability, addicts will be forced to kick the habit. Perfect solution to the epidemic of drug abuse.

    Does anyone see even a tiny little problem with that idea?
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