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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post


    Dare they cross the border and attack civilians in a warlike manner; will they be hunted down and captured. Wars are expensive! Criminal enterprises without a high priced market will be short changed to do much of anything.
    We're not talkin about a full scale war in America, we're talking about Mexico. Read the Op again, chief.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    These cartels own both markets. They call the shots not the government. They have submarines, helicopters, armies, jets, and an unlimited supply of money. Half of the Mexican government is influenced by the cartels. Mexico is one giant cartel > The Mexican Cartel. < Fact.
    That's where the undercutting come in. Also an open market would provide far easier and less violent ways to settle disputes.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Exactly! Mexico is corrupt to the core. You gotta take into account that Mexico is not America. Do you have any idea how dependent the Latin/Central America is on drug money? Mexico doesn't even supply America with it's cocaine it's FARC/Colombia, and they produce 90% of it. The Cartels are the middle men, and they will do whatever it takes to protect their income. Look at what the Cartels are doing now, and just imagine how they would react to government run drug manufactures.
    No, I don't think so. While Colombia may ship their cocaine directly to the U.S., and circumnavigate Mexico, don't forget that Mexico could produce it's own native drugs, such as peyote, which they can make money off of.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, I don't think so. While Colombia may ship their cocaine directly to the U.S., and circumnavigate Mexico, don't forget that Mexico could produce it's own native drugs, such as peyote, which they can make money off of.
    Peyote is in a class by itself. If I recall I belive the Hopi Indians are allowed to use it in their religious rituals.

    It's really a gret "mind" drug and some hippie gurus believed it to be a mind expander. I agree with this, having tried it a few times. I liked it but it is the kind of drug that you only have to take a few times. Also it is not addictive.

    I think peyote should be legal.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think this is the fourth time I've stated this.

    Decriminalization and legalization of drugs won't stop drug use but rather drug violence.

    Of course we will still get the same number of people in the U.S. who are drug addicts. And I'm fine with that. But it will stop the drug violence in the U.S. and in Mexico when legitimate businesses will be able to manufacture and distribute recreational drugs rather than criminal cartels killing each other over the trade.
    I should stress the difference between decriminalization and legalization, though. Under the most common form of decriminalization, personal drug use is not a crime that is punishable by incarceration. In America, this means you can be fined and hit with a violation similar to a speeding ticket for a small, personal supply. The penalties for intent to distribute are typically still there, though full decriminalization would fine distributers rather than imprison them.

    The idea behind decriminalization is harm minimization to users and society, but it does not really stop the black market because those who sell the drugs still do not have access to the courts and police to solve business disputes, as they cannot reveal that which would, at the very least, render huge fines.

    If you wanted to break the link between drugs and organized crime, legalization with reasonable regulation would be necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Wow you guys. If you're really comparing Bill Gates and Pepsi to these psychotic cartels who decapitate their own brothers in competition then I'm just....i mean i don't know what else to say.
    They would not be able to compete with a legal supplier is all they are really saying. The cartels use violent tactics, but this costs money. They can do this and compete because that’s the only way to play the drug game right now, and drug demand is relatively inflexible due to addiction. Legalizing drugs allows legal suppliers to offer the same product that is safer and cheaper than that produced by the cartels. They would have the full might of the courts, police, and if necessary, military behind them, rather than having to spend exorbitant money to evade and fight those same forces. This advantage would make all the difference in terms of what prices they can offer to consumers.

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Do you really think legalizing drugs is going to turn these cartels into CEO's. These cartels are killing over the very few corridors leading into the US. I've been to Juarez, Mexico, and it's quite a sight. 18,000 cartel related murders in just four years. These cartels do it their way and no other way but their way. But sure Sam, I cant wait til Calderone informs the cartels on how, when, and where they're going to be doing business for now on. I refuse to believe you're this naive.

    If you grow an apple in Colombia for one cent and then cell that apple in America for $20,000 then there's nothing, not one person in this world that could ever stop that!
    Only anybody willing and able to sell an apple for less than $20k...


    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    We're not talkin about a full scale war in America, we're talking about Mexico. Read the Op again, chief.
    What you say would be true only if drugs could only be grown in latin America, and even then only if the cartels were in full control of all of latin America and the waters around it. Even coca, native to Columbia, need not be restricted to the area. Biosynthesis is possible, though not ideal. Before the drug war, significant proportions of the cocaine supply were grown outside of latin America due to attempts to grow it in various areas by colonial powers. Java coca was one success. A History of Cocaine: the Mystery of Coca Java and the Kew Plant

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    I have something very important concerning marijuana, but I can't remember what it was.

    Oh yeah. I likeie.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    That's where the undercutting come in. Also an open market would provide far easier and less violent ways to settle disputes.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    I should stress the difference between decriminalization and legalization, though. Under the most common form of decriminalization, personal drug use is not a crime that is punishable by incarceration. In America, this means you can be fined and hit with a violation similar to a speeding ticket for a small, personal supply. The penalties for intent to distribute are typically still there, though full decriminalization would fine distributers rather than imprison them.

    The idea behind decriminalization is harm minimization to users and society, but it does not really stop the black market because those who sell the drugs still do not have access to the courts and police to solve business disputes, as they cannot reveal that which would, at the very least, render huge fines.

    If you wanted to break the link between drugs and organized crime, legalization with reasonable regulation would be necessary.



    They would not be able to compete with a legal supplier is all they are really saying. The cartels use violent tactics, but this costs money. They can do this and compete because thatís the only way to play the drug game right now, and drug demand is relatively inflexible due to addiction. Legalizing drugs allows legal suppliers to offer the same product that is safer and cheaper than that produced by the cartels. They would have the full might of the courts, police, and if necessary, military behind them, rather than having to spend exorbitant money to evade and fight those same forces. This advantage would make all the difference in terms of what prices they can offer to consumers.



    Only anybody willing and able to sell an apple for less than $20k...




    What you say would be true only if drugs could only be grown in latin America, and even then only if the cartels were in full control of all of latin America and the waters around it. Even coca, native to Columbia, need not be restricted to the area. Biosynthesis is possible, though not ideal. Before the drug war, significant proportions of the cocaine supply were grown outside of latin America due to attempts to grow it in various areas by colonial powers. Java coca was one success. A History of Cocaine: the Mystery of Coca Java and the Kew Plant

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    You guys need to fax your resumes to Calderons office. You all have found the solution to the war on drugs! Amazing!

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    You guys need to fax your resumes to Calderons office. You all have found the solution to the war on drugs! Amazing!
    Why would we fax our resumes to Calderon's office when the thread is asking if the United States should legalize drugs?

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