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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'm watching "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on CNN and Mexico's President Felipe Calderon is calling for the U.S. to start legalizing drugs to stop the drug violence in Mexico. He says that the U.S. is the highest consumer in the world of illegal drugs, so U.S. demand dictates the prices for Mexican drug suppliers. So if the U.S. started legalizing drugs, Mexican drug violence would decrease and help bring back order.

    So my question is this: if U.S. consumption of illegal drugs is causing problems in Mexico, does the United States have the responsibility to legalize or decriminalize drugs so that Mexico loses it's black market as a drug supplier which will reduce drug violence in Mexico?
    No, fuck Mexico. If we do anything for anyone's benefit it should be for our own. Legalizing drugs for the sake of Mexico makes as much sense as banning socialized healthcare so that illegal aliens can't get it.


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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No, fuck Mexico. If we do anything for anyone's benefit it should be for our own. Legalizing drugs for the sake of Mexico makes as much sense as banning socialized healthcare so that illegal aliens can't get it.


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    Criminal networks cross national boundaries. What we do here (criminalize drugs) affects what happens there. It is globalized. We should do what is best for ourselves and that includes what is best to reduce cross-border criminal operations. Legalizing drugs will go a long way in eliminating these cross-border criminal operations and that is good for both us and Mexico.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No, fuck Mexico. If we do anything for anyone's benefit it should be for our own. Legalizing drugs for the sake of Mexico makes as much sense as banning socialized healthcare so that illegal aliens can't get it.


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    Yeah well, it's hardly in the US's interest for Mexico to fall into anarchy characterized by violence orchestrated by competing drug trade warlords.

    We can debate about how likely that extreme outcome, but for discussion's sake lets stipulate that it is correct. Are you so wedded to the putative "benefits" of prohibition that this is a price you'd be willing to pay?

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'm watching "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on CNN and Mexico's President Felipe Calderon is calling for the U.S. to start legalizing drugs to stop the drug violence in Mexico. He says that the U.S. is the highest consumer in the world of illegal drugs, so U.S. demand dictates the prices for Mexican drug suppliers. So if the U.S. started legalizing drugs, Mexican drug violence would decrease and help bring back order.

    So my question is this: if U.S. consumption of illegal drugs is causing problems in Mexico, does the United States have the responsibility to legalize or decriminalize drugs so that Mexico loses it's black market as a drug supplier which will reduce drug violence in Mexico?
    You think the Zetas and other scum in Mexico are just going to say "hey drugs are legal in the US, I guess we can't shoot our competition in Mexico and keep all the profits for our selves anymore"? Does Marijuana and other drugs stop becoming profitable just because there legal? how much is an 1/8 in California and other states with legalized medical Marijuana, I know back in the 90s when I used to smoke an 1/8 was 20 dollars,a dime was 10 dollars, a half oz was 50-60 dollars and an oz was 100-120 dollars and I think a quarter pound was around 250 dollars( I say "I think" because that is what my friends say they purchased that much for, I never purchased anything that big)?
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Right. All those thousands of criminals would go straight and become model citizens. In reality they would just adapt, increasing other crimes such as extortion, kidnapping, theft. Organized crime does not go away when laws are changed. They just engage in different crimes. The violence could even become worse.

    Securing our borders would go a long way to curtailing the Mexican drug trade, not to mention reducing ilegals.
    And, exactly, what proof do we have of this?
    Remember the prohibition era?.
    I maintain that unenforceable laws create the criminals in the first place. When the activity becomes legal, then the criminals become "law abiding citizens".
    Rather strange..
    I also hold that no rational man wishes to become a criminal..
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hayekian View Post
    Yeah well, it's hardly in the US's interest for Mexico to fall into anarchy characterized by violence orchestrated by competing drug trade warlords.

    We can debate about how likely that extreme outcome, but for discussion's sake lets stipulate that it is correct. Are you so wedded to the putative "benefits" of prohibition that this is a price you'd be willing to pay?
    Again Mexico is totally irrelevant in how we make our laws. If the gangs, cartels and military in Mexico start acting up then we eventually public outcry will demand that we stick the US military on the border and tell them to shoot at anything that does not go through a check point at the border(which is something that should have already been done).
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Does Marijuana and other drugs stop becoming profitable just because there legal?
    Drugs stop being profitable for criminal organizations who make their money smuggling and distributing illegal drugs, when those drugs are legal.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And, exactly, what proof do we have of this.
    Remember the prohibition era?.
    Alcohol is more ingrained into our culture than weed,meth and other drugs.
    I maintain that unenforceable laws create the criminals in the first place. When the activity becomes legal, then the criminals become "law abiding citizens".
    Rather strange..
    Maybe the regular drug dealers over here might become law abiding citizens assuming the government does not impose a **** load of taxes and require a business license to sell marijuana. (which not having those things would defeat one of the reasons for legalization in the first place)
    I also hold that no rational man wishes to become a criminal.
    People become criminals because it is a quicker way to make money, not because Taco Bell, Burger King,Wal-Mart Home Depot and other places are all out of jobs.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Drugs stop being profitable for criminal organizations who make their money smuggling and distributing illegal drugs, when those drugs are legal.
    Whats the price of marijuana in California and other states with legalized medicinal marijuana?
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And, exactly, what proof do we have of this.
    Remember the prohibition era?.
    I maintain that unenforceable laws create the criminals in the first place. When the activity becomes legal, then the criminals become "law abiding citizens".
    Rather strange..
    I also hold that no rational man wishes to become a criminal..
    Do you honestly believe organized crime folded up after the repeal of prohibition? Organized crime flourished after it was. That is proof.

    Mexico should make the manufacture and distribution of drugs legal. At least then they won't have to fight their own people.

    Sometimes the only choice a rational man has is to become a criminal.
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