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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Legalization of Alcohol did lead to increased usage.
    You have to compare cannabis to alcohol. After Alcohol was legalized and free markets took over, prices dropped, supplies rose, marketing was implemented and its use increased exponentially. It led to the creation of some of the largest corporations in the country and drinking as a national pastime. Why would pot be any different? Common sense says it wouldn't. Unless of course it was regulated to the point where bootlegging and smuggling would be profitable and then we would be right back where we started.

    The tobacco market is saturated at this point in time. In the early stages of legal pot there will be opportunity to make some money. As for knowing what I'm doing. I do know some people that are experts and it isn't rocket science.


    I do believe pot should be legalized, but I do not believe it will solve any problems and may lead to new problems, just like alcohol.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Studies ^^
    Studies? How about precedent? Remember alcohol?
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Legalization of Alcohol did lead to increased usage.

    [ect, ect.]
    See umm what is going on is that you have a serious credibility issue, you make unsupported specious claims, and when shown evidence to the contrary you ignore it and keep making the same claims.. yet you have yet to support any of the claims you have made.

    lets examine a bit of the history of todays posting shall we?

    You start the morning off with "Can you provide a link? " (thats a funny one!), and then make this empty claim:

    Some of the worst gangland violence in history occurred during the decades after prohibition was repealed and alcohol use and abuse has skyrocketed ever since.
    You are given solid evidence refuting this claim (DOJ murder stats since 1900), so we have unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #1.

    Then what next...

    Just as with alcohol, drug use by children will increase exponentially when they are legalized
    again another specious unsupported claim. I then provide supported evidence refuting this claim, namely the Wickersham report, which was the official Federal investigation into the efficacy of Alcohol Prohibition policy.

    So here we have unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #2 which you are making despite being shown evidence to the contrary.

    ok moving along...

    True. But drug use among children will increase if drugs are legal, just as it is with alcohol. Drugs will be as easy to get as beer for kids.
    not only did you ignore evidence to the contrary, but now you are using the recently refuted unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #2 to lay the foundation to build unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #3

    So I again counter your unsupported bull**** claim with evidence, namely A study on the effects of Portugals decriminalization policy. I also stated (and can source) that year after year kids report it is easier to get marijuana than beer so unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #3 was refuted from 2 angles although one of them got ignored.

    your reply?

    Portugal you are joking right?
    I provide even more evidence including studies from the US further refuting unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #3.. you ignore them.

    Then suddenly you do a 180 on your views and are cherry picking info from the Portugal study (well actually from a Time Magazine article interpreting the Cato study I provided a direct link to) a little refresher for you:

    Portugal you are joking right?
    Suddenly it has relevancy to you, it supports (or so you think) one of your claimsand now the Cato study of Portugal (or rather the Time magazine article interpreting the study) was entirely relevant to you. Never mind the cherry picking issue.. that bit of dishonesty has already been clearly shown

    -btw marijuana use went up for almost all countries in the EU during the same time frame (2000-2007), and countries with stricter laws (including their neighbor Spain) saw a greater increase of marijuana usage than Portugal saw-

    So you get called on the cherry picking.. and the on again off again relationship with the stats on the Portugal study --err sorry Time Magazine article - discussing the study are now again working against you again

    you change your tune again although yo were just all for using the interpretation of the study to support a "slight increase in marijuana use in that age group

    you about face yet again on the study "Portugal you are joking right?" never mind the slight increase which you were hoisting on us as being valid, now we have this:

    How do they determine lifetime use in 7th to 9th graders in 10 years? Their lifetime is just starting.

    Lifetime use of heroin decreased by a whole 1%? Whats the margin of error? 5%?

    I would not trust any of their statistics.

    Yeah you would not trust any of their stats.. unless of course you thought they might support your otherwise unsupported USA-1 bull**** claims
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    ohh yeah I forgot to include, to top all that off you are now AGAIN back to unsupported -yet refuted- bull**** claim #2 and getting pissy because someone is asking you to source.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    I clicked "other" because I didn't see an "Everybody's Benefit" selection.

    Legalizing drugs won't help all Mexican's. In fact, it would put the pot cartels out of business. Don't think they would appreciate that.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    After Alcohol was legalized and free markets took over, prices dropped, supplies rose, marketing was implemented and its use increased exponentially. Why would pot be any different?
    Because, for one thing, there should be no marketing allowed for marijuana or any other drug. Marijuana use won't become prevalent like alcohol use is if we don't glamorize it like we do alcohol. It doesn't matter what happens to the price or the supply. The only thing that matters is what happens to demand. As long as demand doesn't change, neither will the number of users regardless of the legal status.

    That's why legalization shouldn't mean ending the WoD, it should mean changing the way we've been waging it. The WoD should focus on minimizing demand through education and deglamorization, instead of incarceration and/or cutting off the supply to addicts. Different strategy, same goal.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    See umm what is going on is that you have a serious credibility issue, you make unsupported specious claims, and when shown evidence to the contrary you ignore it and keep making the same claims.. yet you have yet to support any of the claims you have made.

    lets examine a bit of the history of todays posting shall we?

    You start the morning off with "Can you provide a link? " (thats a funny one!), and then make this empty claim:



    You are given solid evidence refuting this claim (DOJ murder stats since 1900), so we have unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #1.

    Then what next...



    again another specious unsupported claim. I then provide supported evidence refuting this claim, namely the Wickersham report, which was the official Federal investigation into the efficacy of Alcohol Prohibition policy.

    So here we have unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #2 which you are making despite being shown evidence to the contrary.

    ok moving along...



    not only did you ignore evidence to the contrary, but now you are using the recently refuted unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #2 to lay the foundation to build unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #3

    So I again counter your unsupported bull**** claim with evidence, namely A study on the effects of Portugals decriminalization policy. I also stated (and can source) that year after year kids report it is easier to get marijuana than beer so unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #3 was refuted from 2 angles although one of them got ignored.

    your reply?



    I provide even more evidence including studies from the US further refuting unsupported USA-1 bull**** claim #3.. you ignore them.

    Then suddenly you do a 180 on your views and are cherry picking info from the Portugal study (well actually from a Time Magazine article interpreting the Cato study I provided a direct link to) a little refresher for you:



    Suddenly it has relevancy to you, it supports (or so you think) one of your claimsand now the Cato study of Portugal (or rather the Time magazine article interpreting the study) was entirely relevant to you. Never mind the cherry picking issue.. that bit of dishonesty has already been clearly shown

    -btw marijuana use went up for almost all countries in the EU during the same time frame (2000-2007), and countries with stricter laws (including their neighbor Spain) saw a greater increase of marijuana usage than Portugal saw-

    So you get called on the cherry picking.. and the on again off again relationship with the stats on the Portugal study --err sorry Time Magazine article - discussing the study are now again working against you again

    you change your tune again although yo were just all for using the interpretation of the study to support a "slight increase in marijuana use in that age group

    you about face yet again on the study "Portugal you are joking right?" never mind the slight increase which you were hoisting on us as being valid, now we have this:




    Yeah you would not trust any of their stats.. unless of course you thought they might support your otherwise unsupported USA-1 bull**** claims
    Are you denying that alcohol usage increased after it was made legal?
    If so, you really don't have a clue. The fact that the beer and booze corporations are some of the largest in the world should tell you something. See: Anheuser Busch

    You use studies instead of common sense. It is perfectly rational and predictable that a new legal Cannabis industry would mirror the Alcohol industry after the repeal of prohibition. The sales of alcohol grew exponentially after it was made legal again.
    This ain't Portugal. We are the kings of capitalism. If it's legal and there are profits to be made, the pot business will boom. The demand is already there even when it's against the law.

    You can stop the ranting, anytime. This is a forum where people give opinions. It's not a contest.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Are you denying that alcohol usage increased after it was made legal?
    If so, you really don't have a clue. The fact that the beer and booze corporations are some of the largest in the world should tell you something. See: Anheuser Busch

    You use studies instead of common sense. It is perfectly rational and predictable that a new legal Cannabis industry would mirror the Alcohol industry after the repeal of prohibition. The sales of alcohol grew exponentially after it was made legal again.
    This ain't Portugal. We are the kings of capitalism. If it's legal and there are profits to be made, the pot business will boom. The demand is already there even when it's against the law.

    You can stop the ranting, anytime. This is a forum where people give opinions. It's not a contest.
    I'll say it again.

    Decriminalization of drugs isn't to prevent drug use but rather drug violence.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Are you denying that alcohol usage increased after it was made legal?
    If so, you really don't have a clue. The fact that the beer and booze corporations are some of the largest in the world should tell you something. See: Anheuser Busch

    You use studies instead of common sense. It is perfectly rational and predictable that a new legal Cannabis industry would mirror the Alcohol industry after the repeal of prohibition. The sales of alcohol grew exponentially after it was made legal again.
    This ain't Portugal. We are the kings of capitalism. If it's legal and there are profits to be made, the pot business will boom. The demand is already there even when it's against the law.

    You can stop the ranting, anytime. This is a forum where people give opinions. It's not a contest.
    Again, that happened because alcohol use was glamorized and encouraged in society, not because prohibition was repealed.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Why would the US legalize drugs? You have to be very naive to not see that their are many LEO who benefit from the war on drugs, be it that they are either corrupt and accept bribes or they wouldn't have a job if their was no war.

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