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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    And where did it shift? To the illicit drugs market. You will always have to police for certain kinds of criminal behavior (because we have made them illegal) such as murder, theft, extortion, kidnapping, etc....

    In the absence of alcohol legalization, you have an entire industry under the control of criminality. Legalization and regulation lead to a massive industry with incredible global demand and job creation (that pays taxes too!).

    Think of the loss in tax revenue as a result of the drug war in both the expenditure side, and the opportunity cost aspect.
    Drugs became the crime of choice after the repeal of prohibition. What will it become after they are legalized?
    Will this country be better off if they are?
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Can you provide a link?

    Some of the worst gangland violence in history occurred during the decades after prohibition was repealed and alcohol use and abuse has skyrocketed ever since. Drinking has become a national pastime with a tavern on every corner and irresponsible drinking is the norm.

    The repeal of prohibition did not eliminate organized crime, they just diversified and adapted. Some believe legalizing all drugs is the answer, but it may just open up a whole new can of worms.
    how about a graphic:



    \A few important dates

    1919: Volsted act alcohol prohibition begins - note what happens to the murder rate immediately after

    1933: Prohibition is repealed. note the drastic downturn in the murder rate immediately after.

    1971 "Drug War" begins

    edit: going back and looking I see someone already provided this, I have no clue how I did not see that when I had read (and thanked) his post.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Drugs became the crime of choice after the repeal of prohibition. What will it become after they are legalized?
    Will this country be better off if they are?
    Not drugs.

    why? do you prefer having drugs as the crime of choice? personally I would rather have criminals doing something esle and not selling drugs to kids, but that is just my preference.

    edit to add: and yes the country will be better off if drugs were legal because we could deal with the drug problem instead of fighting this criminal problem. It is all about harm reduction, the harms caused by prohibition are greater than the harms of the drugs themselves.. I feel like a broken record.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Not drugs.

    why do you prefer having drugs as the crime of choice? personally I would rather not have criminals selling them to kids, but meh, that is just my preference.
    Just as with alcohol, drug use by children will increase exponentially when they are legalized.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Drugs became the crime of choice after the repeal of prohibition. What will it become after they are legalized?
    Will this country be better off if they are?
    I think you just proved all of our points.

    Drugs may have became the crime of choice after the repeal of prohibition, but that's because drinking alcohol was no longer a crime. All of those people who drank alcohol during prohibition didn't just say to themselves, "Oh, alcohol is legal now, I guess I won't drink anymore since I'm a criminal and can only imbibe a criminal drug." Those people who drank alcohol kept drinking alcohol.

    And I'm pretty sure that those who were drug addicts after prohibition were also drug addicts before prohibition. It's just that law enforcement was so focused on alcohol because it was so widespread and such a popular drug that they didn't have much of a chance to go after other intoxicants as much.

    Kinda like how right now law enforcement is so busy going after marijuana that they're ignoring salvia and prescription pills.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    That may be the case. But even if it is, we could 1) use the money we currently spend on drug enforcement and 2) use the money we could get from tax revenue from selling drugs to instead spend it to enforce the laws on those criminal exercises.
    You're probably not going to see much revenue even if you did legalize it, the underground sources would still provide it and people would still buy it or grow their own. Plus the fact, even if you did have more money to spend, the government would just waste it, like they do with most things today, I can't imagine you'd see much, if any, overall improvement.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Just as with alcohol, drug use by children will increase exponentially when they are legalized.
    Just like the post prohibition spike in murders that you were claiming ,this too is bull****.

    Kids continuously, year after year say that marijuana. -an illicit drug- is easier to obtain than alcohol. drug dealers, and speak easy operators do not check ID.


    Also a look at the Wickersham report (1931 report commissioned to look at the effects of prohibition) you would see that this was among its findings:

    Alcohol use declined during the first two or three years of Prohibition (a trend that had begun before Prohibition started) but rose every year thereafter. There was, in particular, an increase in the use of distilled liquors. There was also evidence of increased alcohol use and addiction among minors.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Just as with alcohol, drug use by children will increase exponentially when they are legalized.
    Children are going to drink alcohol whether it's illegal or not. Children are going to try drugs whether it's illegal or not. The only question is whether or not we're going to toss them in jail with life-long offenders of serious crimes and make it nearly impossible for them to gain lawful well-paying employment when they get older.

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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're probably not going to see much revenue even if you did legalize it, the underground sources would still provide it and people would still buy it or grow their own. Plus the fact, even if you did have more money to spend, the government would just waste it, like they do with most things today, I can't imagine you'd see much, if any, overall improvement.
    There would be less money spent on:
    LEOs enforcing the laws
    Lawyers prosecuting and defending these laws
    Judges paid to oversee these trials
    Prisons to imprison drug criminals

    Considering how much money is spent on all of those things nationwide every single day, it'll add up.

    And I think more people would rather purchase drugs from legitimate sources they can trust than from criminal sources who may do them harm. Legalization and decriminalization won't curb drug use, but I have no problem with that. But what legalization and decriminalization will do is curb drug violence. And that I am all for.
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    Re: Should the U.S. legalize drugs for Mexico's benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    There would be less money spent on:
    LEOs enforcing the laws
    Lawyers prosecuting and defending these laws
    Judges paid to oversee these trials
    Prisons to imprison drug criminals
    I'm entirely in favor of letting non-violent drug users out of prison right this second, that's not a good use of our money. That doesn't mean we stop drug use from being illegal, just that we spend our time and money more effectively. As for the lawyers, you don't think they're going to stop charging for things, do you? They'll just find some other pointless thing to make a bundle off of.

    And I think more people would rather purchase drugs from legitimate sources they can trust than from criminal sources who may do them harm. Legalization and decriminalization won't curb drug use, but I have no problem with that. But what legalization and decriminalization will do is curb drug violence. And that I am all for.
    These people are doing harm to themselves every single day, you think they care where they get their drugs? All it will do, if anything, is migrate violence from drugs to something else.
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