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Thread: The End of the Reagan Era?

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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Deficit spending that happened as a result of the "trickle down" theory is still going on, and even increasing.
    Nothing about trickle-down - loweing taxes to incent econmic growth that leads to a larger tax base and thus greater revenues - necessitates deficit spending, increasing, decreasing or otherwise.

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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Nothing about trickle-down - loweing taxes to incent econmic growth that leads to a larger tax base and thus greater revenues - necessitates deficit spending, increasing, decreasing or otherwise.
    Not so long as spending decreases along with taxes. If lowering taxes increases revenue, then they must have increased spending even more to make up the difference.
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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not!;1058650971
    Not so long as spending decreases along with taxes. If lowering taxes increases revenue, then they must have increased spending even more to make up the difference.
    Well, right - at least until the revenues increase.
    The point is that the deficits were not 'the result' - that is, an unavoiadable, necessary component - of trickle-down as there are two (or more) parts to the equation.

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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Since Reagan's election, Democrats have never held both the Presidency and Congress for more than 2 years. I suspect that will continue to be true.

    EDIT: The "Reagan Era" wasn't so much about Reagan himself as it was about the change in public opinion that came with him. Since public opinion wasn't for the health care bill, it is inaccurate to suggest that the bill ended the era unless it becomes popular later.
    I strongly disagree. Ronald Reagan was the lynchpin for his era, in that he was the leader, who brought the ideas of personal freedom and personal responsibility into government. But the Regan era was more about forging alliances with differing groups of Republicans, and even some Democrats, which resulted in many changes, especially the change from "Government is here to look after you and run your life" to "You pack your own chute, and you have the power to change your own life for the better". Finally, Reagan made people feel good about America, after the "Malaise" period of Jimmy Carter.

    You give Reagan too little credit. There will never be another like Reagan, who made Americans feel good about their country again. Reagan was more than just a person. He became an ideology for millions. I don't know about anyone else, but I miss him.
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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Since Reagan's election, Democrats have never held both the Presidency and Congress for more than 2 years. I suspect that will continue to be true.

    EDIT: The "Reagan Era" wasn't so much about Reagan himself as it was about the change in public opinion that came with him. Since public opinion wasn't for the health care bill, it is inaccurate to suggest that the bill ended the era unless it becomes popular later.
    What was the "change in public opinion" you speak of as it pertains to Reagan-Era politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think it has more to do with their personal charisma than anything else.
    So I'm not sure that Bush Sr. will be any kind of major president in the future.

    Think of Kennedy, T. Roosevelt, Reagan, etc, as legendary figures.
    They had excellent charisma and speech capabilities but in reality they had many failings that most people should criticize but almost never do
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    Such as? What do you see as character or agenda related flaws the should be addressed concerning an and all of the above former presidents you've mentioned?
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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I strongly disagree. Ronald Reagan was the lynchpin for his era, in that he was the leader, who brought the ideas of personal freedom and personal responsibility into government. But the Regan era was more about forging alliances with differing groups of Republicans, and even some Democrats, which resulted in many changes, especially the change from "Government is here to look after you and run your life" to "You pack your own chute, and you have the power to change your own life for the better". Finally, Reagan made people feel good about America, after the "Malaise" period of Jimmy Carter.

    You give Reagan too little credit. There will never be another like Reagan, who made Americans feel good about their country again. Reagan was more than just a person. He became an ideology for millions. I don't know about anyone else, but I miss him.
    I liked him a lot, I think he was one of the better modern day Presidents. But he did do some bad things too. It's not all rainbows and fresh backed apple pie with him. On the other hand, he also got a lot of things right; which is well better than our last few Presidents can say.
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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I liked him a lot, I think he was one of the better modern day Presidents. But he did do some bad things too. It's not all rainbows and fresh backed apple pie with him.
    True, but what I liked about Reagan is that the buck stopped with him, and he made no excuses. When Iran Contra broke, he got on national TV, against the advise from all his advisers, and told everybody that it was his fault that it happened. You don't see that kind of taking responsibility from any of today's Republicans.
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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    True, but what I liked about Reagan is that the buck stopped with him, and he made no excuses. When Iran Contra broke, he got on national TV, against the advise from all his advisers, and told everybody that it was his fault that it happened. You don't see that kind of taking responsibility from any of today's Republicans.
    True, but on the same accord, that was technically high treason.
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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    True, but what I liked about Reagan is that the buck stopped with him, and he made no excuses. When Iran Contra broke, he got on national TV, against the advise from all his advisers, and told everybody that it was his fault that it happened. You don't see that kind of taking responsibility from any of today's Republicans.
    ...except Oliver North became the fall guy in that scandalous period of Reagan's presidency.

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    Re: The End of the Reagan Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    ...except Oliver North became the fall guy in that scandalous period of Reagan's presidency.
    Hehehe

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