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Thread: the electoral college

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    the electoral college

    shall it be abolished? I think so

    if you voted other, please talk about it, if you care to, or if you voted no

    Personally I think it should be abolished, that way each person has 1 vote, and bigger states wouldn't have the advantage due to more electoral votes.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora151989 View Post
    shall it be abolished? I think so

    if you voted other, please talk about it, if you care to, or if you voted no

    Personally I think it should be abolished, that way each person has 1 vote, and bigger states wouldn't have the advantage due to more electoral votes.
    Absolutely, a simple popular vote is what we need. A Republican voting in my state can't really argue that their vote meant anything. It's not really fair that random swing states get all the power.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora151989 View Post
    shall it be abolished? I think so

    if you voted other, please talk about it, if you care to, or if you voted no

    Personally I think it should be abolished, that way each person has 1 vote, and bigger states wouldn't have the advantage due to more electoral votes.
    I voted no. I am too lazy to explain why, when someone has already done so in an older thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    No, the Electoral College serves a purpose.
    The People were never meant to vote for the President.
    To allow this would be unfair/unequal representation of the States.
    The People already have their representation through Congress.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Ah, because the State itself needs to be recognized separately from the People?
    We are a Nation of States, not a Nation of individuals.

    Why should a minority of States with the largest populations be able to dictate to a majority of States who will be the President?
    The Electoral College strikes a balance. Does it not?

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    Re: the electoral college

    thank you for the quotes emdash, I probably would have never found that on my own.

    The states still have different numbers of electoral votes based on the state population though.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora151989 View Post
    thank you for the quotes emdash, I probably would have never found that on my own.
    You're welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora151989 View Post
    The states still have different numbers of electoral votes based on the state population though.
    That's the compromise I guess. More populous states have a little more sway, without rendering the less populous states completely irrelevant.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    You're welcome.



    That's the compromise I guess. More populous states have a little more sway, without rendering the less populous states completely irrelevant.
    Sort of, but the MOST populous states are usually givens for one of the parties. New York and Cali always go to the dems, and Texas always goes to the Republicans. You can't really say these states make or break elections. The states that have way more clout are the more middle sized states that are ideologically divided. States like Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinios.

    If you live in one of the states that's a given but you're in the minority party, you're out of luck. Your vote doesn't really mean anything.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    Sort of, but the MOST populous states are usually givens for one of the parties. New York and Cali always go to the dems, and Texas always goes to the Republicans. You can't really say these states make or break elections. The states that have way more clout are the more middle sized states that are ideologically divided. States like Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinios.

    If you live in one of the states that's a given but you're in the minority party, you're out of luck. Your vote doesn't really mean anything.
    You could do the house by popular vote but not the senate and not the presidency.

    Edit: Although, I'd be afraid to let the cat out of the bag.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    Sort of, but the MOST populous states are usually givens for one of the parties. New York and Cali always go to the dems, and Texas always goes to the Republicans. You can't really say these states make or break elections. The states that have way more clout are the more middle sized states that are ideologically divided. States like Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinios.

    If you live in one of the states that's a given but you're in the minority party, you're out of luck. Your vote doesn't really mean anything.
    Your vote might seem insignificant to you, but without electoral votes, less populous states would always be stuck with a President chosen for them by other people. That's why the compromise is necessary.

    Your vote carries more weight in your district, where you elect Congressmen to represent your views. If you're the only liberal in a conservative area, you might have to move to get the kind of help you want from the federal government.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Yes, the electoral college should be gotten rid of. Just because you live in a small state, your vote should not count for more than mine. A popular vote would be a much better system.
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    Re: the electoral college

    I voted "Other." I don't like the current electoral college system because it's too unwieldy and, because it gives all of a state's electoral votes to whoever wins the plurality of votes in that state, discounts the minority vote too much. However, I would like a type of electoral college, as without it urban areas that are more populous would have more say than rural areas.

    So I would prefer it if we retained the electoral college but used the Congressional District Method, or the Maine-Nebraska Method. In this method, whichever candidate wins a plurality of votes in a district gets that district's electoral vote, which represents the electoral votes provided for by their number of Representatives, and whichever candidate wins a plurality of votes statewide gets an additional two electoral votes, which represents the electoral votes provided for by their number of Senators. This way large swing states will be less of a factor since a state's electoral votes will be divided up amongst their districts. It will also give a more accurate account of the wishes of the population without totally getting rid of the electoral college system.

    Now, as a corollary to this, I think we should also adopt the Wyoming Rule, which would dictate that the Representative-to-population ratio in the House be that of the smallest entitled unit. If it were to be implemented, the least populous state is Wyoming, so Wyoming would get only one Representative and a state that has twice the population of Wyoming would get two Representatives and so on. This would put the number of seats in the House at 569 and lead to a better House that better represents it's people.

    Those are the kinds of reforms I support.

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