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Thread: the electoral college

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    What do you think about the Maine-Nebraska Method for the electoral college?
    I love the electoral college the way it is. The Maine/Nebraska method dilutes it. In fact, I would argue they have shot themselves in the foot as without the winner take all approach those state elections are very predictable and not worth the of attention by the presidential candidates.

    I LOVE the electoral college (except for the idea that you actually send people to Washington to vote... that is silly). Its the greatest thing since the I-phone.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    The president does not represent individuals.



    Some presidents do. Just as much as any other politician represents individuals.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Some presidents do. Just as much as any other politician represents individuals.
    It's not the president's job.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    It's not the president's job.
    No it isn't. Just as it isn't any elected officials job to represent individuals.
    Doesn't mean they don't do it.
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    Re: the electoral college

    The People were never meant to vote for the President.
    Why not? Why can't we change that now? The people weren't originally meant to vote for Senators either, but we changed that.
    To allow this would be unfair/unequal representation of the States.
    What's so special about a state? Why should states be represented when it comes to the Presidency? Why does my opinion or interests matter only in relation to which state I live in?

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why not? Why can't we change that now? The people weren't originally meant to vote for Senators either, but we changed that.

    What's so special about a state? Why should states be represented when it comes to the Presidency? Why does my opinion or interests matter only in relation to which state I live in?
    To maintain the spirit of federalism our nation was founded upon.

    Nowadays, the federal government is seen as overarching to the state governments, which is overarching to the people. However, when it was originally conceived, the federal government was designed to be a tool of both state governments and the people of the nation. That's why we originally had Senators elected by the state legislatures while the House was directly elected by the people - the Senate would represent the states and the House would represent the people and together the two forces would work for the good of the nation.

    That's why I support the Maine-Nebraska Method of the electoral college. The electoral vote of a district would go to whichever candidate wins that district, thus representing the will of the people in that district, and the 2 electoral votes of the state would go to the candidate who wins the vote statewide.

    This way, the will of small districts and the will of the entire state can have synergy with each other and better maintain the federalism our nation was founded upon.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    To maintain the spirit of federalism our nation was founded upon.

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    Has federalism worked all that great where we want to maintain it's spirit? The country is bankrupt.
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    Re: the electoral college

    In all honesty, a lot of the ideals of federalism kind of died out after the Civil war.

    This whole "we must maintain our government in the exact same way people saw it 225 years ago" idea bugs me.

    And as I have said in other threads, it kind of reminds me of religious fundamentalists in some way; certain people think that the Founding Fathers were gods and the Constitution is the Bible, never to be questioned and never to change with society -- that we should live our lives like a bunch of men thought long before our great great great grandparents were even born, and woe be it to anyone who thinks that the world is not the same as it was then.

    Even Thomas Jefferson suggested that the Constitution should be updated every generation.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    To maintain the spirit of federalism our nation was founded upon.
    But we elect the House based on population. Why not the President?

    The problem is that we elect the President like the Senate, but pretend it's like the House. We end up with a distorted situation that way. A few key states get all the attention because they are competitive.

    That's why I support the Maine-Nebraska Method of the electoral college. The electoral vote of a district would go to whichever candidate wins that district, thus representing the will of the people in that district, and the 2 electoral votes of the state would go to the candidate who wins the vote statewide.
    I support this too, if only because it can be done easily.

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    Re: the electoral college

    The EC does exactly what it is supposed to do, given that we are a federal reppublic of 50 states, and that the states need to have a say in how the head of state is elected, if not electing him themselves.

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