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Thread: the electoral college

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They have the advantage in the house and in the number of electoral votes.
    Right. So what good is the electoral college?
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Right. So what good is the electoral college?
    It defuses the situation from direct mob control.
    The electors are like a filter.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Why shouldn't more populous states get the advantage?

    "At the most basic level, the electoral college is unfair to voters. Because of the winner-take-all system in each state, candidates don't spend time in states they know they have no chance of winning, focusing only on the tight races in the "swing" states. During the 2000 campaign, seventeen states didn't see the candidates at all, including Rhode Island and South Carolina, and voters in 25 of the largest media markets didn't get to see a single campaign ad. If anyone has a good argument for putting the fate of the presidency in the hands of a few swing voters in Ohio, they have yet to make it."
    Yes, because of the winner-take-all system in each state except Maine and Nebraska. Those two states implemented reforms that causes the electoral vote in a district to be decided by the candidate who gets the most votes in that district. Also, whoever wins the popular vote state-wide would get the 2 electoral votes from their Senator.

    This kind of reform would take away the power from swing states without totally disenfranchising less populous areas.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    You are joking , right? What kind of fool moves out of a state because of it's political leaning? That's ridiculous.
    I would assume the kind of fool who freaks out about his vote never meaning anything.

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    As for state government being more efficient than federal. It is about the same. They are both totally inefficient, Just like federal government the party in power decides what issues are important. The truth is state governments are no better than the federal government and more wasteful and destructive in many ways.
    You are ignoring the point of my post? The president is not your representative. You have representatives that are more local, who know more about your area and your issues. I'm not denying that your state is corrupt or inefficient. I'm simply suggesting it is more interested.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    You are ignoring the point of my post? The president is not your representative. You have representatives that are more local, who know more about your area and your issues. I'm not denying that your state is corrupt or inefficient. I'm simply suggesting it is more interested.
    That's a great point.

    The President was never meant to be a policy maker but merely a manager of policy drafted by Congress.
    Essentially, people should choose the president based on what they think his managerial skills are and not for representation purposes.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I would assume the kind of fool who freaks out about his vote never meaning anything.


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    That is the dumbest thing I have read.

    For most rational people, politics is not the most important thing in their lives. They do not relocate for the sake of politics. Most of them have roots, jobs, friends, family. They like the climate, community and other factors of an area. They don't move because of political leanings of the region. Maybe the fools like you would, but normal people wouldn't.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I would assume the kind of fool who freaks out about his vote never meaning anything.



    You are ignoring the point of my post? The president is not your representative. You have representatives that are more local, who know more about your area and your issues. I'm not denying that your state is corrupt or inefficient. I'm simply suggesting it is more interested.
    Representatives, politicians for that matter, only represent those that elected them. Federal or state, it's all the same.
    Last edited by USA_1; 03-28-10 at 05:51 PM.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    That is the dumbest thing I have read.
    Then you're very lucky.

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    For most rational people, politics is not the most important thing in their lives. They do not relocate for the sake of politics. Most of them have roots, jobs, friends, family. They like the climate, community and other factors of an area. They don't move because of political leanings of the region. Maybe the fools like you would, but normal people wouldn't.
    The problem is that you don't feel your votes count, am I right?
    The possible solutions are, as far as I can tell:
    1. move (to an area that is perfect for people like you);
    2. shut up (because politics is not the most important thing in your life anyway);
    3. educate yourself (about our current voting system);
    4. disregard the Constitution and establish a nationwide popular vote, regardless of the repercussions.

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Representatives, politicians for that matter, only represent those that elected them. Federal or state, it's all the same.
    I don't know that any informed person would ever say that the president is a representative.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I don't know that any informed person would ever say that the president is a representative.
    The president represents the American people to the world. Have you never heard that before? Look it up and become informed.

    Bush represented Americas elite and Obama represents Americas poor folk.
    Last edited by USA_1; 03-28-10 at 08:12 PM.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    The president represents the American people to the world. Have you never heard that before? Look it up and become informed.
    Of course the president acts as spokesman for the united 50 states to foreign powers. You are not a state, or a union of states. You are an individual. The president does not represent individuals.

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Bush represented Americas elite and Obama represents Americas poor folk.

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