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Thread: the electoral college

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Personally, I can't think of particular task that would filter out crazy people such as Bachmann.
    Yea, I'm not sure how to deal with people like her.

    Taxation is probably the easiest way to do it but I think volunteer labor instead of taxes might be ok.
    The military participation leaves it too far open for abuse.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea, I'm not sure how to deal with people like her.

    Taxation is probably the easiest way to do it but I think volunteer labor instead of taxes might be ok.
    The military participation leaves it too far open for abuse.
    Income and crazy are not inversely correlated, so taxes probably wouldn't work and if was volunteer service, many people who seek to impose their vision of the right kind of united states would hold their nose and go through with it. I imagine the more passionate and/or radicalized they are the more likely they are to do it
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Income and crazy are not inversely correlated, so taxes probably wouldn't work.
    That's true as well, I'm not sure.
    Will have to think on that one.

    Basically though, we should all have to contribute something of value.
    It shows that you put your willing to walk how you talk.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's true as well, I'm not sure.
    Will have to think on that one.

    Basically though, we should all have to contribute something of value.
    It shows that you put your willing to walk how you talk.
    I think even that would backfire. I can easily imagine political organizations putting their members through whatever program/contribution to get more votes. It would be an arms race.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think even that would backfire. I can easily imagine political organizations putting their members through whatever program/contribution to get more votes. It would be an arms race.
    If it were something like community service, at least, we would get something positive out of it.
    I think it would do some good for both upper/middle/lower income people to have to work together as equals on something.
    The same goes for the different race/ethic groups.

    I don't like the fact that people think they deserve something without putting in their sweat equity in building it.

    I tired of the "politics as usual."

    I appreciate you entertaining my craziness for this thread.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    A nationwide recount would never happen, we'd still vote state by state. Each state would manage its own election as it does now. If something went wrong in one state we wouldn't have to do the entire thing over.
    Actually I can see a scenario where a nation-wide recount can occur quite easily with national popular election.

    Imagine election between candidate A and B

    State 1 - A > B by 500 thousand votes
    State 2 - A < to B by 490 thousand votes
    State 3 - A < to B by 300 thousand votes
    State 4 - A > B by 295 thousand votes

    Nation-wide result - A > B by 5 thousand votes. If B could master a few lost votes from here and there, he could beat A. B has every personal reason to want a recount in all states where he feel he could get more votes.

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    Re: the electoral college

    I think the electoral college is one of the hidden geniuses of the American constitution. It creates 50 individual state elections within the single presidential election. As such, the unique issues of each state must be addressed by each candidate if they wish to compete in that state. Consistent with American ideal, the rights / issues of the few are not trampled on my the issues of the majority. This concept is also consistent with the concept of states rights and the republic.

    OTH, without an electoral college, presidential elections can be won by only appealing to the majority. Do you really want a president that is elected only addressing the issues of major media markets? whose agenda and solutions affect only those in major urban/suburban areas?

    Then there is the practical issue: a re-count in a single state is not that big a deal; a national recount is a disaster. Our elections are generally decided within 4 percentage points. It would be very easy to have an election decided within 1/2 of 1%, which is re-count territory. Contested elections are never decisive.... even the 2000 election was not exactly decisive (a large % of the population did not agree that the winner actually won).

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I think the electoral college is one of the hidden geniuses of the American constitution. It creates 50 individual state elections within the single presidential election. As such, the unique issues of each state must be addressed by each candidate if they wish to compete in that state. Consistent with American ideal, the rights / issues of the few are not trampled on my the issues of the majority. This concept is also consistent with the concept of states rights and the republic.

    OTH, without an electoral college, presidential elections can be won by only appealing to the majority. Do you really want a president that is elected only addressing the issues of major media markets? whose agenda and solutions affect only those in major urban/suburban areas?

    Then there is the practical issue: a re-count in a single state is not that big a deal; a national recount is a disaster. Our elections are generally decided within 4 percentage points. It would be very easy to have an election decided within 1/2 of 1%, which is re-count territory. Contested elections are never decisive.... even the 2000 election was not exactly decisive (a large % of the population did not agree that the winner actually won).
    Excellent points.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    I believe in personal rights over states rights.
    It just seems to me that if you do value your personal rights you should favor any decentralization of power.

    Who is more likely to know about the crime rates or the quality of education in your area? Your governor or your president?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Most votes are thrown away with the electoral college. If the majority of Americans want someone to be president, that person should be president. Just my opinion. My vote means nothing the way it's set up.
    I've already addressed this...voting indicates the general political atmosphere of your state. If your state is too liberal or conservative for you, move. Your state is far more efficient than the federal government when it comes to understanding the majority of issues facing its constituents.

    Consider: You might have felt any of a variety of emotions for Obama and McCain as men and as public figures, but your senators and representative are the ones who are constantly making decisions that affect your everyday life, and they are also the ones who act as checks and balances over the executive branch.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post


    I've already addressed this...voting indicates the general political atmosphere of your state. If your state is too liberal or conservative for you, move. Your state is far more efficient than the federal government when it comes to understanding the majority of issues facing its constituents.
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    You are joking , right?
    What kind of fool moves out of a state because of it's political leaning? That's ridiculous.
    As for state government being more efficient than federal. It is about the same. They are both totally inefficient, Just like federal government the party in power decides what issues are important. The truth is state governments are no better than the federal government and more wasteful and destructive in many ways.
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