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Thread: the electoral college

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    Re: the electoral college

    I say yes because governments should represent the will of the people and everyone's vote should count the same.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora151989 View Post
    shall it be abolished? I think so

    if you voted other, please talk about it, if you care to, or if you voted no

    Personally I think it should be abolished, that way each person has 1 vote, and bigger states wouldn't have the advantage due to more electoral votes.
    Sorry, you've got that backwards.

    If it wasn't for the electoral college, smaller states would be utterly ignored in the Prez elections, because their lack of voters would make them of little value.

    As it is, since most small states give all their electoral votes to the candidate who wins their majority of voters, small states do matter.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We are not a democracy and were not intended to be a democracy. We're a Republic, with built-in measures intended to prevent a tyranny of the majority.
    We're a democratic republic. A republic is any non-monarchical form of government. That includes dictatorships, military juntas, etc. We are a republic with democratic aspects. How democratic we should be is up to debate.

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    Re: the electoral college

    I voted no. I do not want states like New York and California having practically all the say while most of the other states get ignored.
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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sorry, you've got that backwards.

    If it wasn't for the electoral college, smaller states would be utterly ignored in the Prez elections, because their lack of voters would make them of little value.
    Well, the first question is whether the President represents the people or the states. If you think he represents states, then you might have a point, but I don't think you'll ever find a Presidential candidate who thinks he represents states.

    Presidents NOW ignore the small states. Seriously. I posted a map in another thread on this that showed where the Presidents campaign. They go to maybe 10 states that are the most "purple" and ignore the rest. Why campaign in California or Texas? You know how they will vote. And the same is true of almost every small state. No one visited Idaho or Montana in the last campaign. Seriously.

    A popular vote means ALL votes will count. You'll grab for a vote anywhere, because even a vote in a state you will lose will help you. Presidents will go MORE places than they do now because of that.

    Seriously, ask any campaign expert. A national popular election will change everything.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Honestly, I don't care if one state has more of a say then another. That doesn't mean anything. All you should care about is that your vote means as much as everyone elses. If you vote for a democrat in Texas you would still be helping your candidate. Even if you live in a tiny state like Wyoming, your vote as an individual matters just as much as someone in California.

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    Re: the electoral college

    I voted no. I will offer another reason to keep the Electoral College:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    … [T]he Electoral College serves a real purpose today: it creates a firewall so that when close elections occur, recounts and controversies are limited to just one or two states rather than across all fifty. A nationwide presidential recount would cripple the political system for weeks if not months.
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    Re: the electoral college

    The chance of a Presidential recount i much much smaller than the chance of an individual state recount where there are less voters.

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    Re: the electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Well, the first question is whether the President represents the people or the states. If you think he represents states, then you might have a point, but I don't think you'll ever find a Presidential candidate who thinks he represents states.

    Presidents NOW ignore the small states. Seriously. I posted a map in another thread on this that showed where the Presidents campaign. They go to maybe 10 states that are the most "purple" and ignore the rest. Why campaign in California or Texas? You know how they will vote. And the same is true of almost every small state. No one visited Idaho or Montana in the last campaign. Seriously.

    A popular vote means ALL votes will count. You'll grab for a vote anywhere, because even a vote in a state you will lose will help you. Presidents will go MORE places than they do now because of that.

    Seriously, ask any campaign expert. A national popular election will change everything.
    This is pretty much irrelevant to the part of his post you left out.

    As it is, since most small states give all their electoral votes to the candidate who wins their majority of voters, small states do matter.

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    Re: the electoral college

    A popular vote in a nation of well over 300 million would be costly, complex, and very prone to corruption. Republics were made for a simplification of the process, and to ensure that someone always speaks for you on a local, regional, and national level.

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