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Thread: Education Is A Right?

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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The opportunity for an education should be a right that applies to anyone, of any age.
    True, I think this is what I should have said.


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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    A compulsory right???????
    Yes, compulsory. As in you can't opt out before the 8th grade. Unlike the right to bear arms where you don't have to own a gun if you don't want to.
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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    I think we need to reform the way we are looking at teachers in regards to child-rearing.
    Parents are without question one of the most important figures in a child's life, but a close second would be the collection of teachers with whom the child spends most of it's conscious life.

    I've used this example before, but I believe that it is important for this discussion: I've from a family that came from Ireland/the British Isles and never once moved from North Carolina. My mother has a strong southern accent, my sister and my aunts and uncles all do as well. However, my brother and I do not have southern accents. We used to, but because this teacher collection was more centered as "carpetbaggers" (Northern teachers in the South), as our vocabulary and speaking skills increased our southern dialect decrease.

    Words that my teachers shunned, or words that I learned from my home or my community, rather than from my teachers, are spoken with a southern accent, because it is how I learned to pronounce them; words like "ain't" and "water" and "Nah", etc.

    Teachers are very important persons in child-raising, as they can even affect their dialect. I fear that a majority of parents recognize teachers as publicly funded nannies and day-keepers, whereas they are more like surrogate mothers and fathers.
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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I think we need to reform the way we are looking at teachers in regards to child-rearing.
    Parents are without question one of the most important figures in a child's life, but a close second would be the collection of teachers with whom the child spends most of it's conscious life.

    I've used this example before, but I believe that it is important for this discussion: I've from a family that came from Ireland/the British Isles and never once moved from North Carolina. My mother has a strong southern accent, my sister and my aunts and uncles all do as well. However, my brother and I do not have southern accents. We used to, but because this teacher collection was more centered as "carpetbaggers" (Northern teachers in the South), as our vocabulary and speaking skills increased our southern dialect decrease.

    Words that my teachers shunned, or words that I learned from my home or my community, rather than from my teachers, are spoken with a southern accent, because it is how I learned to pronounce them; words like "ain't" and "water" and "Nah", etc.

    Teachers are very important persons in child-raising, as they can even affect their dialect. I fear that a majority of parents recognize teachers as publicly funded nannies and day-keepers, whereas they are more like surrogate mothers and fathers.
    I agree. When I have kids I will play a large role in making sure they are getting an adequate education. It's the teacher's job to teach and quiz students, but it is up to the student and parent/guardian to ensure the student is using the education system to a full advantage.

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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It's not a right, it's a responsibility of the parents of any child in our society.

    Geezzzzzzzzz. The next thing you know food is going to be a right….. You know, because if you don’t have food, how can you be expected to vote responsibly....
    Actually, you could make food a right of citizenship, or anything for that matter. A country could decide to make breast implants a right of citizenship for its female citizens if it chose to do so.

    The point is that a public education is a right of citizenship or legal residency based on a social contract that our government has with us. This differs of course from natural rights. For all intents and purposes though it is a right until the majority decides it should not be.
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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    I would not call it a right as much as a priority. You know..... like jobs Which is especially interesting when we deduce future income and employment from increases in human capital.
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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    It is every persons right to seek out education and attempt to learn, as I believe it falls under the general idea of the persuit of happiness (IE persuit of wealth).

    However, it is not every persons right to HAVE an education. The government providing education is a priviledge.

    In essense....no person should be legally barred from learning, from reading a book, from trying to go to a school, from listening to a lecture, etc. People have a right to seek out knowledge. However the government is not required to pay for your education, for your book, for your lecture. The fact they do, and make it easy for you, is a privledge.

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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    i believe education is a right, and should be compulsory until the students are old enough to enter the work force
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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    I voted "other" because there is an aspect of obtaining an education that is a right, and an aspect of obtaining an education that is a privilege.

    The right to become educated exists. I can -and have- educated myself on numerous topics and issues. Everyone can do this, and to some degree everyone does and has. We learn most of what we know by educating ourselves.

    However, a "formal" education is a privilege. Going to school for an education happens to be a universal privilege in our society, but it is still not a right.

    Another important fact is that even in a formalized setting like a school, becoming educated is still a choice decided by the person who is in that setting. One can be present in school and not learn a damned thing if they so choose. The school only offers assistance to someone who wants an education, it does not grant an education.

    You cannot actually educate someone. You can only facilitate their efforts at self-education. You can help them remove blocks to their learning, alleviate their confusion, and explain things to them in a way that they can understand, but the real effort and responsibility still lies with the person who is seeking the education.

    So, in truth, schools are a merely a tool someone can utilize in pursuing their education. Like a book, a computer, or trial and error learning. Nothing more.

    Even without this tool, the right to pursue an education still exists. One can purchase books and read them, perform trial and error attempts at something on their own, interview an expert on a subject, etc.

    Even without access to schools, many people would still achieve an education.

    My father is a prime example. He was removed from school by his father after elementary school to work on the family farm. But he was a voracious reader. He taught himself many, many things, including stuff like Calculus, by simply buying books on the subjects.

    If we didn't have a right to educate ourselves, we never would have gotten to where we are today.

    Language? Wouldn't exist.

    Math? The concept of 2 wouldn't ever have been fathomed. We wouldn't even have a "one many lots" system of understanding.

    Science? Not a hope in hell.

    So yes, we do have a right to education. But having access to such a beneficial tool like school which facilitates that effort is absolutely a privilege we have.
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    Re: Education Is A Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    i believe education is a right, and should be compulsory until the students are old enough to enter the work force
    You can compel students to be in school, or at least make dropping out a less attractive option. How do you compel anyone to learn when they're there?
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