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Thread: A Responsibility to Others?

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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutey. Rich/Poor whatever. We as a "higher" society have a responsibility to our fellow mankind. To each according to their needs....from each according to their abilities.
    This is only valid if you happen to agree with Marx.

    There is nothing more immoral than amassing great wealth and hording it when you could do good with it.
    Incorrect -- there is nothing more immoral thsn forcing others to conform to your version of morailty.

    Which is why the bible says "It is easier for a rich man to get through the eye of a needle than to enter the kingdom of God."
    Yes... and Christian charity requires that said charity be provided out of free will, not at the point of someone elses' gun.

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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes... and Christian charity requires that said charity be provided out of free will, not at the point of someone elses' gun.
    Exactly. Those who give because they have a sincere desire to help someone are being charitable. Those who give because they "should" are doing so out of societal pressure, and the meaning is lost.
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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Exactly. Those who give because they have a sincere desire to help someone are being charitable. Those who give because they "should" are doing so out of societal pressure, and the meaning is lost.
    Exactly correct, though I think I'd use '...who give because the law says so..."

    And besides -- I thought the first amendment prevents things like Christian charity becoming law.

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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Exactly correct, though I think I'd use '...who give because the law says so..."

    And besides -- I thought the first amendment prevents things like Christian charity becoming law.
    Yeah, that too.
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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    My answer to the poll is no


    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I've been thinking lately about the thoughts of several ultra-rich men. Andrew Carnegie, Bill Gates, John Rockefeller to a certain extent; they all did things to better the poor. I know there is a lot more to their stories, and how they accumulated such wealth, but the principle is still there.

    Do people who have greater power and wealth have a responsibility to others, in terms of a moral responsibility?

    I personally believe that the strong are supposed to protect the weak. Government itself is based on that proposition, assigning power to a few to protect the interests of the many weak.

    On a more personal level, I am one of the smarter students in my school. As such, I always help my peers when they have questions. very recently, a good friend got rejected from a college he wanted to go to, and I spent sometime trying to help him get over it, and figure out what to do.

    Anyone else have thoughts on this?
    Didn't ultra rich men like Andrew Carnegie exploit the hell out of the poor?
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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yeah, that too.
    I really do believe that people who can should help others. My wife and I are talking about adopting a child 'of unfortunate circumstance' becase we have things pretty well and we believe that if we can help some such child have a better life, we should.

    But, this is a choice we make based on our value system - we'd never presume to force someone else to do so, and we'd fight tooth and nail against someone esle forcing us to do it.

    The argument that supports the right to choose, see, applies to a whole lot more than abortion.

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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Did I say I have a problem with it? I just see it for what it is. Conditioning. We need it as a society to keep everything from falling apart, but it's still belief-based.
    Sorry, my poor interpretation of your posts. I apologise. I agree it's belief-based, very fundamental (if not universal) belief-based, but nevertheless socialised.
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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Sorry, my poor interpretation of your posts. I apologise. I agree it's belief-based, very fundamental (if not universal) belief-based, but nevertheless socialised.
    No problem. I just see things from more of an objectivist position than alot of people. I realize that things are accepted as "Truth" when it's really just that we have been taught to accept those things. It doesn't make them Truth, it just makes them majority belief. The Truth is probably something that most of humanity has no desire or fortitude to face.
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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    There is this principle that you gravely overlook called personal liberty and keeping the fruits of your own labor. In short, if I ever "make it big", it should be up to me and my family, not some damned Government shill, to decide where the hell my hard-earned should go!!
    You call it "personal liberty", I call it greed. Imagine a world filled with people like this.
    Tiny Tims and Ebenezer Scrooges.
    Some world, huh, thank goodness its not really like that, or is it??

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    Re: A Responsibility to Others?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutey. Rich/Poor whatever. We as a "higher" society have a responsibility to our fellow mankind. To each according to their needs....from each according to their abilities. We all have a duty to pay back to our communities, either by service or by monetary means.

    There is nothing more immoral than amassing great wealth and hording it when you could do good with it.

    Which is why the bible says "It is easier for a rich man to get through the eye of a needle than to enter the kingdom of God."

    If you have the means or the ability and do nothing to help others than the content of your character shines brightly.
    I agree with you. However, the line is, "It is easier for a CAMEL to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

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