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  • Black People

    19 40.43%
  • Christians

    18 38.30%
  • Women

    18 38.30%
  • Gay people

    20 42.55%
  • Old People (65 and older)

    16 34.04%
  • Handicapped people (don't want to build ramps, etc)

    17 36.17%
  • Red headed people

    16 34.04%
  • None of the above

    29 61.70%
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I can't bring myself to place the owner's property rights above the individual's rights to be treated equally.
    I can't bring myself to place invented rights over base rights such as property.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    I voted for all but "none of the above." Businesses have a right to not provide a service to someone based on their racism, discrimination, or hatred for Christians (racism may be a stretch). However, doing this would be a stupid business decision and another business that accepts those people will make more money. The market can fix itself, it doesn't need government restricting the rights of business owners.

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I wholeheartedly believe you have misunderstood my post.
    That I find it disgusting is one thing, that I believe it should be against the law is - as I have explained - because it harms people.
    Who does it harm? And how?

    Surely you're not suggesting that someone getting their feelings hurt is "harming" them?
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It would be OK for a business to refuse to do business with:
    Define 'do business with".

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes....I'm speaking on a moral level not a legal level.
    If that's the case, then regardless of what you mean by 'doing business with', the answer is 'anyone'.

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Who does it harm? And how?

    Surely you're not suggesting that someone getting their feelings hurt is "harming" them?
    If a person rapes you, and you do not get any diseases as a result of the act, and the act itself did not cause you any physical damage, is it safe to say that you were not harmed at all?

    Surely you can understand that some laws exist to prevent physical harm while others exist to prevent mental harm - it's only reasonable, no?
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If a person rapes you, and you do not get any diseases as a result of the act, and the act itself did not cause you any physical damage, is it safe to say that you were not harmed at all?
    No, you definitely infringed upon property rights if nothing else.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I can't bring myself to place invented rights over base rights such as property.
    Equality is something treasured by each and every civilized nation.
    Equality means that a person would not be treated differently simply because of his gender, color, race, sexuality, religion, ethnicity, etc.

    That you choose to place the owner's property rights above the value of equality is extremely disappointing, but it is your own opinion.
    The law says otherwise, and its reasons are sourced in one of the most important values of democracy.
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, you definitely infringed upon property rights if nothing else.
    Okay, so I assume you do not believe in the existence of a mental damage.

    So what about sexual harassment laws, why do they exist?
    Property rights, too?
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Equality is something treasured by each and every civilized nation.
    Equality means that a person would not be treated differently simply because of his gender, color, race, sexuality, religion, ethnicity, etc.

    That you choose to place the owner's property rights above the value of equality is extremely disappointing, but it is your own opinion.
    The law says otherwise, and its reasons are sourced in one of the most important values of democracy.
    Equality is not treasured, competition more often is. Competition isn't equal. Should a high school drop out have the same probability of landing a job as head researcher in a government lab as a Ph.D. physicist? No. The reason? They're not equal, it's not an equal system. One can very obviously out perform the other. It's based on ability. There are many forms of discrimination and inequality that we use and accept and which are helpful in some aspects. What we have done instead is to create a list of "protected classes" and granted privilege to that. Yet everything should be based in the rights of the individual. You don't have the right to be served by every business if that business chooses not to do business with you. You are free to take your business elsewhere, free to protest, free to raise public awareness; but not to force people to behave with their property outside their will when they have not infringed upon the rights of others.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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