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    16 34.04%
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Thread: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The thread on the B&B has me intrigued. I'm curious how people would feel about other scenarios.

    Please answer the following scenarios:

    It would be OK for a business to refuse to do business with:
    I believe a private business should be able to discriminate along any line the owners choose.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    If the reason for the refusal was the customers' sexuality, that's discrimination and is against the law, and hence the owner should be fined.
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If the reason for the refusal was the customers' sexuality, that's discrimination and is against the law, and hence the owner should be fined.
    The question isn't "is it a law", it's "should it be legal". We know it's a law already. And it's not discrimination; it's discrimination against a protected class. Not all discrimination is illegal.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The question isn't "is it a law", it's "should it be legal". We know it's a law already. And it's not discrimination; it's discrimination against a protected class. Not all discrimination is illegal.
    It's the law and it should be the law.

    Homosexuals are human beings, and human beings do not deserve to be handled differently by other human beings simply because they are from a different sexuality, that's disgusting and that should be against the law.
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Anyone for any reason

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It's the law and it should be the law.

    Homosexuals are human beings, and human beings do not deserve to be handled differently by other human beings simply because they are from a different sexuality, that's disgusting and that should be against the law.
    I agree that human beings deserve dignity and respect, but to say something should be a law because the behavior is something you, I, or even a majority of the public finds repugnant is not enough. What is the compelling interest? In other words, fraud is illegal because it harms people, child molestation is illegal because it harms people, assualt & battery are also illegal because they harm people. Being told you aren't welcome somewhere doesn't provably harm people, it may offend them(completely justified), it may anger them(completely understandable). But has it harmed them or society and if so what is the concrete proof?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It's the law and it should be the law.

    Homosexuals are human beings, and human beings do not deserve to be handled differently by other human beings simply because they are from a different sexuality, that's disgusting and that should be against the law.
    I think homosexuals are humans with the same rights as everyone else. No more no less. There is no right to be served by a business. But you do infringe upon that business owners property rights. So all things being equal, what is disgusting is that some can excuse the infringement of rights because something makes them feel bad and they're too lazy to get off their asses and handle it properly.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I agree that human beings deserve dignity and respect, but to say something should be a law because the behavior is something you, I, or even a majority of the public finds repugnant is not enough. What is the compelling interest? In other words, fraud is illegal because it harms people, child molestation is illegal because it harms people, assualt & battery are also illegal because they harm people. Being told you aren't welcome somewhere doesn't provably harm people, it may offend them(completely justified), it may anger them(completely understandable). But has it harmed them or society and if so what is the concrete proof?
    I wholeheartedly believe you have misunderstood my post.
    That I find it disgusting is one thing, that I believe it should be against the law is - as I have explained - because it harms people.
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think homosexuals are humans with the same rights as everyone else. No more no less. There is no right to be served by a business. But you do infringe upon that business owners property rights. So all things being equal, what is disgusting is that some can excuse the infringement of rights because something makes them feel bad and they're too lazy to get off their asses and handle it properly.
    I can't bring myself to place the owner's property rights above the individual's rights to be treated equally.
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    Re: Its ok for a business owner to refuse to do business with...

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The thread on the B&B has me intrigued. I'm curious how people would feel about other scenarios.

    Please answer the following scenarios:

    It would be OK for a business to refuse to do business with:
    They should be permitted to refuse to do business with anyone for any reason at any time.

    However, when it comes to hiring policies for companies that hire more than 25 employees, they should be subject to EOE regulations.

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