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Thread: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Fair enough. But I do think that to get to that point, first the parties must be able to compete and get noticed. It's hard to refine your political platform while maintaining some ideology without proper feedback. And the way that it's currently constructed you can't decouple feedback which is the result of having been unfairly kept out of the system and that which comes from incompatibility of political message with the People. Since this is OUR country and not the Republocrats; I'd rather the information get out to the People in general and then we can make up our minds. I'm not so much comfortable with the government telling us which parties are cromulent [cookie to the person who knows the reference], which ones we should hear from the most, and which ones we should consider "valid".
    Exactly.

    All these people believe in regulations for business, making sure they don't screw minorities, take advantage of the law, etc.

    When it comes to their political party(aka business), they could care less.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So you support corporate welfare that helps create monopolies?
    No, that is why I support the party that bucks corporations the most.

    Your partisanship has been well displayed, even if I suggested any party that had a reasonable reform structure, you'd ignore it.
    If you expect to win converts to your party, you are going to have to try harder than that. As with most people, I would imagine, I support the party who's platform and practices most closely match my own ideals. I haven't seen one that more closely fits than the Democratic party.

    I didn't say they should turn down corporate donations but to say that they can build any kind of support without it is wrong.
    Corporations give money to gain favor, if you're not present in government to begin with you're not going to get anything.
    And..... the way you get to be present in government is to get elected for which you need popular support.

    Just as with the bands that want that big record deal, it just ain't gonna happen without a strong following.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, that is why I support the party that bucks corporations the most.
    I seriously hope your not talking about Democrats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you expect to win converts to your party, you are going to have to try harder than that. As with most people, I would imagine, I support the party who's platform and practices most closely match my own ideals. I haven't seen one that more closely fits than the Democratic party.
    Corporate welfare, deficit spending and on and on.
    What didn't you just pick Republican, they do the same thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And..... the way you get to be present in government is to get elected for which you need popular support.

    Just as with the bands that want that big record deal, it just ain't gonna happen without a strong following.
    It won't happen when the people who control the process make sure you don't win.
    That's the problem, you're comfortable because your crew has the power to prevent other people from entering the race.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Fair enough. But I do think that to get to that point, first the parties must be able to compete and get noticed. It's hard to refine your political platform while maintaining some ideology without proper feedback. And the way that it's currently constructed you can't decouple feedback which is the result of having been unfairly kept out of the system and that which comes from incompatibility of political message with the People. Since this is OUR country and not the Republocrats; I'd rather the information get out to the People in general and then we can make up our minds. I'm not so much comfortable with the government telling us which parties are cromulent [cookie to the person who knows the reference], which ones we should hear from the most, and which ones we should consider "valid".
    I think the extra competition of a strong third party would be a good thing. But just looking at it pragmatically, I don't see how any group, political, musical, or whatever can expect to get attention from the press without a significant following for their positions, music or whatever.

    My experience has shown that the way to succeed is to start locally, build a strong following, then move on to build a strong regional following, and then you have a shot at building a large national following.

    It would be nice to think there are short cuts, but I am not aware of any.

    edit: I do know of one other possible way. With the advent of the internet, it may be possible to go viral on the web without first building local and regional following. However, your message still has to have wide popular appeal.

    That is the key component from my perspective.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think we need a third party, with our current laws and the way congress is set up, having a third party wouldn't prevent anything from being done. A third party would only hurt the other two depending on what their stances were. What kind of ideology do you think this party should be?
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the extra competition of a strong third party would be a good thing. But just looking at it pragmatically, I don't see how any group, political, musical, or whatever can expect to get attention from the press without a significant following for their positions, music or whatever.

    My experience has shown that the way to succeed is to start locally, build a strong following, then move on to build a strong regional following, and then you have a shot at building a large national following.

    It would be nice to think there are short cuts, but I am not aware of any.

    edit: I do know of one other possible way. With the advent of the internet, it may be possible to go viral on the web without first building local and regional following. However, your message still has to have wide popular appeal.

    That is the key component from my perspective.
    The biggest short cut is allowing minor parties, that have existed continually for the past 20-30, years to participate in the presidential debates.

    They are sidelined because they don't get access.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the extra competition of a strong third party would be a good thing. But just looking at it pragmatically, I don't see how any group, political, musical, or whatever can expect to get attention from the press without a significant following for their positions, music or whatever.

    My experience has shown that the way to succeed is to start locally, build a strong following, then move on to build a strong regional following, and then you have a shot at building a large national following.

    It would be nice to think there are short cuts, but I am not aware of any.

    edit: I do know of one other possible way. With the advent of the internet, it may be possible to go viral on the web without first building local and regional following. However, your message still has to have wide popular appeal.

    That is the key component from my perspective.
    The internet can help out a lot. However, I tend to divorce politics from reasonably free market things such as music and business. Politics is very important and it is necessary for the People to be informed in order to make the best decision they can with their vote. Since the government operates solely on our authority and sovereignty, we must have a way to reasonable control it. And one such way is through third parties. But for that to be possible, we need responsible press to do their jobs to the People and keep us informed in a non-partisan, informative manner on the actions of government.

    And while yes, to replace a party a third party must have sufficient popular support, I don't see how restricting those parties and keeping them from participating helps to further that goal. It is very important that the political process remains open enough to encourage competition for ideas, platforms, and votes.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's the problem, you're comfortable because your crew has the power to prevent other people from entering the race.
    Then develop a platform that more people will support.

    I welcome other parties to the race, that's what I've been trying to say. There is much I don't like about either of the major parties, I've just not seen a platform I like better from any of the other parties.

    I like the defense only military policy of the Libertarians. Come up with more policy planks like that and you may have a convert here.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Then develop a platform that more people will support.

    I welcome other parties to the race, that's what I've been trying to say. There is much I don't like about either of the major parties, I've just not seen a platform I like better from any of the other parties.

    I like the defense only military policy of the Libertarians. Come up with more policy planks like that and you may have a convert here.
    It's not just about Libertarians have access, I want the Marxists, Prohibitionists, etc parties to have the same access.

    Some may have nutter beliefs but they should get the same chance to find converts on the popular stage.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The biggest short cut is allowing minor parties, that have existed continually for the past 20-30, years to participate in the presidential debates.

    They are sidelined because they don't get access.
    Start winning state elections if you want to participate. You don't get to be a rock star if your music is not popular! Sorry, that is just the reality of the world.
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