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Thread: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    The Modern Whig approach is focussed on the states. In Virginia, I want to run candidates in the 2012 election for state representatives. If we get some traction, we'll go from there.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How? (I don't necessarily disagree with you).
    Don't forget that the 2 major parties receive a form of corporate welfare from the government.

    The parties control the presidential debate as well.
    It needs to be managed by an unbiased third party(not a political party).
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The Modern Whig approach is focussed on the states. In Virginia, I want to run candidates in the 2012 election for state representatives. If we get some traction, we'll go from there.
    I would never have expected you to be pro-choice and for reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Don't forget that the 2 major parties receive a form of corporate welfare from the government.

    The parties control the presidential debate as well.
    It needs to be managed by an unbiased third party(not a political party).
    That will come once a party has a significant segment of public support.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That will come once a party has a significant segment of public support.
    Well that's the rub, the 2 major political parties review tons of money from corporate donors, not only that but they control all election laws.

    It's institutional that they prevent others from participating, they want to hold their monopoly.

    Why do you guys support monopolies?
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well that's the rub, the 2 major political parties review tons of money from corporate donors, not only that but they control all election laws.

    It's institutional that they prevent others from participating, they want to hold their monopoly.

    Why do you guys support monopolies?
    You still miss the point. Build a base, then, if you are not getting a fair shake, complain. Right now it's akin to a below average high school baseball player complaining that the requirement of his being 18 to play pro ball is unfair. It may be unfair, but it's not relevant to the situation.

    The simple truth is not many people agree with the platforms of any of the third parties. Further, the third parties are not doing enough to attract people. Until those change, any talk about unfair competition is just silly.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well that's the rub, the 2 major political parties review tons of money from corporate donors, not only that but they control all election laws.
    They receive tons of money because they have tons of popular support. If voters withdrew that support, so would the corporate donations be withdrawn.

    It's institutional that they prevent others from participating, they want to hold their monopoly.

    Why do you guys support monopolies?
    We don't, we just haven't found another party's platform we like better than the ones we have. Got any suggestions?

    What makes you think a third party, once it becomes popular enough to be elected, will turn down corporate donations?
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You still miss the point. Build a base, then, if you are not getting a fair shake, complain. Right now it's akin to a below average high school baseball player complaining that the requirement of his being 18 to play pro ball is unfair. It may be unfair, but it's not relevant to the situation.

    The simple truth is not many people agree with the platforms of any of the third parties. Further, the third parties are not doing enough to attract people. Until those change, any talk about unfair competition is just silly.
    I'm sorry but the unfairness is purposefully built.

    The major political parties are bankrolled by the government, they are the government, they control the entire process.

    To compare it to a natural disadvantage is disingenuous.

    #1 rule of a political economy, capitalists hate capitalism.
    They don't want the competition and neither do their supporters.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They receive tons of money because they have tons of popular support. If voters withdrew that support, so would the corporate donations be withdrawn.
    So you support corporate welfare that helps create monopolies?


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We don't, we just haven't found another party's platform we like better than the ones we have. Got any suggestions?

    What makes you think a third party, once it becomes popular enough to be elected, will turn down corporate donations?
    Your partisanship has been well displayed, even if I suggested any party that had a reasonable reform structure, you'd ignore it.

    I didn't say they should turn down corporate donations but to say that they can build any kind of support without it is wrong.
    Corporations give money to gain favor, if you're not present in government to begin with you're not going to get anything.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Going with your analogy then, why would anyone wish to fund a school that hardly anybody wished to attend due to their extreme curriculum?

    As with third parties there has to be a platform that attracts a significant segment of the population.

    That is what has been lacking with the third parties.
    Fair enough. But I do think that to get to that point, first the parties must be able to compete and get noticed. It's hard to refine your political platform while maintaining some ideology without proper feedback. And the way that it's currently constructed you can't decouple feedback which is the result of having been unfairly kept out of the system and that which comes from incompatibility of political message with the People. Since this is OUR country and not the Republocrats; I'd rather the information get out to the People in general and then we can make up our minds. I'm not so much comfortable with the government telling us which parties are cromulent [cookie to the person who knows the reference], which ones we should hear from the most, and which ones we should consider "valid".
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