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Thread: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm just saying that we already have lower than your original estimate electing our leaders. And if you allowed more open and equal participation; it may be possible to start to capture some of that 50% whom do not vote.
    We have dozens of political parties for people to choose from now, and still half of the citizens are too apathetic to vote. What political flavor is it you think will make the apathetic suddenly become politically active?

    For myself, I think those that don't vote are just to sorry to take the effort, and no matter how many political parties there are, we will still have people to apathetic to take the effort to vote.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We have dozens of political parties for people to choose from now, and still half of the citizens are too apathetic to vote. What political flavor is it you think will make the apathetic suddenly become politically active?
    Well I doubt you'd ever get everyone. However, I think some are definitely not voting because they don't see it as worth their while, that their voice isn't heard. Yes, we have a lot of third parties; but they are almost always referenced either by the main parties or the press as insignificant and a "waste" of your vote. As such, it discourages people even more from trying.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    However, I think some are definitely not voting because they don't see it as worth their while, that their voice isn't heard.
    Yeah - because they don't vote.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    We already do have third parties in the U.S., they just don't happen to appeal to a majority of voters which is one of the reasons they don't win many elections. What I'd like to see is not just a third party, but a third party that has a significant chance of spoiling elections for the big two.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We already do have third parties in the U.S., they just don't happen to appeal to a majority of voters which is one of the reasons they don't win many elections. What I'd like to see is not just a third party, but a third party that has a significant chance of spoiling elections for the big two.
    It's easy to spoil the elections. All they have to do is get a small percentage of the vote taken away from primarily one party. Since our votes are all pretty much 50/50+noise, all you have to do to influence outcome is to affect the noise.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well I doubt you'd ever get everyone. However, I think some are definitely not voting because they don't see it as worth their while, that their voice isn't heard. Yes, we have a lot of third parties; but they are almost always referenced either by the main parties or the press as insignificant and a "waste" of your vote. As such, it discourages people even more from trying.
    I relate this to bands that expect to get a record deal without first having a large following.

    How can a political party demand equity within the press without a large following? That seems to be the critical component missing in all the third parties out there.

    It seems the sad, or good, news, depending on one's perspective, is we have the government we deserve. As my government teacher led us to discover, our government is as good or bad as we let it become.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So are the rest who have no chance of winning. When you have the support in the 1 to 2 % range, you are just in the way of real candidates.

    The Libertarians need to stop whining about how unfair the system is and start actually trying to get people to support their platform. Until they do that, they have no room to cry about the system.
    I actually agree with you. If there is going to be change there needs to be some hard and honest discussion. People need to be convinced to throw the republicans under the bus...its not like they actually support 'the people' anyway. They also need to go after the majority of registered democrats...because to be honest...there isnt all that much difference between ALL common hard working folk in this country, regardless of who they pull the lever for in the election booth.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I relate this to bands that expect to get a record deal without first having a large following.

    How can a political party demand equity within the press without a large following? That seems to be the critical component missing in all the third parties out there.

    It seems the sad, or good, news, depending on one's perspective, is we have the government we deserve. As my government teacher led us to discover, our government is as good or bad as we make it.
    I think it's a bit different. It's as if you have two schools, one well funded and one rather poor. The well funded one can afford very good teachers, materials, books, lab space, etc. As a result, they produce top notch students. The poor one struggles with overcrowded class rooms, lack of supplies, etc. and thus produces students of much lower quality. The poor school petitions to receive more funding on the level that the good school gets. They are told that as soon as they start producing students near the numbers and quality of the good school, that they will then receive an increase in funding.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's easy to spoil the elections. All they have to do is get a small percentage of the vote taken away from primarily one party. Since our votes are all pretty much 50/50+noise, all you have to do to influence outcome is to affect the noise.
    The libertarian party had a decent shot at actually building momentum following the 08 election. Bob Barr was actually a decent candidate. But they shouldnt have been campaigning to win the 2008 presidential election, they should have been campaigning to put win just 5 seats in the 2010 congressional election...and they should have been starting 2 years ago. And then add 2 more...then 5 more...etc.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it's a bit different. It's as if you have two schools, one well funded and one rather poor. The well funded one can afford very good teachers, materials, books, lab space, etc. As a result, they produce top notch students. The poor one struggles with overcrowded class rooms, lack of supplies, etc. and thus produces students of much lower quality. The poor school petitions to receive more funding on the level that the good school gets. They are told that as soon as they start producing students near the numbers and quality of the good school, that they will then receive an increase in funding.
    Going with your analogy then, why would anyone wish to fund a school that hardly anybody wished to attend due to their extreme curriculum?

    As with third parties there has to be a platform that attracts a significant segment of the population.

    That is what has been lacking with the third parties.
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