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Thread: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think "moderate, centrist" is what we have with the Republocrats. Neither really push hard one way or the other. They support the status quo. We need something to shake the status quo, that will remove it so that we can push government in the proper direction...smaller and more constrained.
    Your perception is absoLUTEly correct...at their core there isnt a dimes difference between the two. They are big government, big spending party politicians who value party and power over people and country.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you ask MOST people, they espouse libertarian ideals and values.
    Really?

    Does that have anything to do with the fact that you are a libertarian?

    For myself, I think far more of the American people espouse rhetoric that is to the political right to me, including social policy, but at the same time, they like the Welfare state a la New Deal and some/most of the Great Society-or at least do little in regards to desire it being removed.

    I think it is far more complicated, and perhaps indecisive, as maybe public opinion just shifts around from year to year month to month.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Really?

    Does that have anything to do with the fact that you are a libertarian?

    For myself, I think far more of the American people espouse rhetoric that is to the political right to me, including social policy, but at the same time, they like the Welfare state a la New Deal and some/most of the Great Society-or at least do little in regards to desire it being removed.

    I think it is far more complicated, and perhaps indecisive, as maybe public opinion just shifts around from year to year month to month.
    Ah...you are one of those Contrarians...I see...that explains a lot.

    MOST people believe in individual rights first, state rights second, and federal last. MOST people believe in necessary but smaller federal government with responsible spending.

    Yes...MOST people. Oh...I know we have a pretty large crop of crippled and dependent pets that have been cultivated to keep the left in power...the welfare state. but even THOSE people give at least lip service to individual rights...they just want it both ways.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You dont think third parties sending up candidates like Smoky McPot for senator has anything to do with their own marginalization do you?

    Believe me...thats the source of my frustration with the Libertarian party.

    If you ask MOST people, they espouse libertarian ideals and values. So why cant the libertarians get people elected? Hell...we even have one avowed socialist in congress that caucuses with the democrats.

    The reason is simply...the libertarians hitch their ponies to idiotic and fringe ideals like legalization of drugs as a primary party platform.
    No, people opposed to the platform try their damnedest to make it look that way. Yes, drug legalization is definitely in the libertarian platform as we'd remove the federal government from the position and let the states deal with it themselves. However, it's not the only thing which revolves around libertarian political philosophy. In fact, it is nothing more than a consequence of our overall philosophy. One built upon the minimization of government and maximization of freedom.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post
    I think we do need a strong Third Party because it's something that'll keep the two major parties we have now honest.
    It won't happen.

    A third party cannot win. It can only steal votes from the other parties, making one lose. If it wins, it can only do so by replacing one of the other two parties, and you have a two-party system again. That's because we have a winner-take-all election system.

    What is more likely is that one of the two parties will transform itself, as they often do.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, people opposed to the platform try their damnedest to make it look that way. Yes, drug legalization is definitely in the libertarian platform as we'd remove the federal government from the position and let the states deal with it themselves. However, it's not the only thing which revolves around libertarian political philosophy. In fact, it is nothing more than a consequence of our overall philosophy. One built upon the minimization of government and maximization of freedom.
    Sorry...been there...and recommending they drop the plank and focus on things that are actually rlevant will get you a shower of "no Libertarians could think that" and an invitation to not come back.

    Look around...you dont see too many libertarians challenging...ANYWHERE. Change or die.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sorry...been there...and recommending they drop the plank and focus on things that are actually rlevant will get you a shower of "no Libertarians could think that" and an invitation to not come back.
    Ok, well that's your personal experience and I think that it's unfortunate that you encountered that sort of ideology. I know there are some who maybe only focus on that; but there are plenty who are definitely into the higher order terms of the philosophy as well. I'll talk about drug legalization if it comes up; but nominally when I'm talking of libertarian philosophy and idealism it's on the level of overall government control, proper government size and action, and devolving the system to concentrate power at smaller levels of government.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Look around...you dont see too many libertarians challenging...ANYWHERE. Change or die.
    I see a lot of libertarian names on ballots. But they are specifically kept from things such as debates and are not treated equally or fairly in the press which definitely has significant negative effect on the ability to campaign on that party ticket.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post

    I see a lot of libertarian names on ballots. But they are specifically kept from things such as debates and are not treated equally or fairly in the press which definitely has significant negative effect on the ability to campaign on that party ticket.
    So are the rest who have no chance of winning. When you have the support in the 1 to 2 % range, you are just in the way of real candidates.

    The Libertarians need to stop whining about how unfair the system is and start actually trying to get people to support their platform. Until they do that, they have no room to cry about the system.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So are the rest who have no chance of winning. When you have the support in the 1 to 2 % range, you are just in the way of real candidates.

    The Libertarians need to stop whining about how unfair the system is and start actually trying to get people to support their platform. Until they do that, they have no room to cry about the system.
    That's what we do. We campaign a lot on local levels, we can get some success there as well. But the system is corrupt and is specifically designed especially on the federal level to ensure that other parties are not presented to the people in order to cement the rule of the Republocrats.

    And I have plenty of room to "cry" about the system. When the system is set up to isolate the parties from the will of the People, there is certainly room to complain. Sorry if you don't like the complaining, but I ain't making you listen or read. But I damned well have the right to complain about it, so piss off if you think I shouldn't exercise my rights.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's what we do. We campaign a lot on local levels, we can get some success there as well. But the system is corrupt and is specifically designed especially on the federal level to ensure that other parties are not presented to the people in order to cement the rule of the Republocrats.

    And I have plenty of room to "cry" about the system. When the system is set up to isolate the parties from the will of the People, there is certainly room to complain. Sorry if you don't like the complaining, but I ain't making you listen or read. But I damned well have the right to complain about it, so piss off if you think I shouldn't exercise my rights.
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