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Thread: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post
    I think we do need a strong Third Party because it's something that'll keep the two major parties we have now honest.
    I think we need a strong 3rd party. I think the more the better because I would not want to see a two party monopoly changed into just a 3 party monopoly.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Interesting,..

    So, what's the 'middle ground' on the following?
    I dunno about "middle ground, but if you are interested in MY opinion...
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    1: Elective Abortion
    Support and oppose, depending on the specific situation.
    2: Gays in the Military
    Support.
    3: Women in frontline combat
    Support, given they meet standards for such a position.
    4: Gay Marriage
    Tend towards opposition, but not sure as to my reason for such.
    5: Illegal Immigration
    It's illegal, so I oppose it.
    6: Drug legalization
    Support in some ways, oppose in others.
    7: Public Displays of Religion
    Perfectly acceptable. Free speech? Or did you mean public-owned property with displays/government displays?
    8: School Vouchers
    Tend towards support.
    9: National Health Care
    Tend towards opposition.
    10: Stem cell Research
    More nuanced than that, really. I tend towards opposition to embryonic stem cell research, but all other stem cell research seems reasonable.
    11: The right to keep and bear arms
    Strongly support. I want my own personal tank, if I can afford it...
    12: Preemptive Military tactics
    Depends on the situation. In some few, I support.
    13: Nuclear Energy
    Seems better than some other methods, except for the very dangerous waste...
    14: Foreign trade
    What, someone thinks stopping trade with other countries is a good idea? Or did you mean the level of restrictions on it...
    15: Securing the borders
    Needs to be done.
    16: Space Exploration
    Support, probably my sci-fi fan side showing...
    17: Man Caused Climate Change
    Do not consider a proven theory as of this moment.
    18: Campaign Finance laws
    Need redone.
    19: Imminent Domain laws
    Also need redone.
    20: Waterboarding
    Both support and oppose.
    21: Constitutional rights for non American captured combatants
    Not sure of the law on this one, but I would assume some treaty applies.
    22: State Sovereignty
    Is being infringed upon.
    23: Tort Reform
    Seems to be necessary.
    24: Social Security Reform
    Needs done.
    25: Medicare and Medicaid reform
    Also needs done.

    (Sorry for such a short list)
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    The only problem to supporting only a "third moderate party" is that it is difficult to say what moderate is. That's why advocating only one more third party is a bad idea. People have all sorts of political philosophies that are worth being represented. That's why we should have a multi-party system.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think we need a third party, with our current laws and the way congress is set up, having a third party wouldn't prevent anything from being done. A third party would only hurt the other two depending on what their stances were. What kind of ideology do you think this party should be?
    Whatever I think it should be. Hmmm...

    The Blackdog Party.

    I like it!

    Our positions...

    1: Elective Abortion

    Only in case of incest, rape or danger to mother.

    2: Gays in the Military

    Let em serve.

    3: Women in frontline combat

    No

    4: Gay Marriage

    Civil Unions recognized by all states and feds with all the same rights. or...

    Get government out of marraige and let the churches do it.

    5: Illegal Imigration

    Enforce the laws we have aggressively.

    6: Drug legalization

    Yes. Adults can decide what they want to put into there own body.

    7: Public Displays of Religion

    Who cares?

    8: School Vouchers

    Privatize all schools.

    9: National Health Care

    No

    10: Stem cell Research

    Yes

    11: The right to keep and bear arms

    Yes

    12: Premptive Military tactics

    No

    13: Nuclear Energy

    Yes

    14: Foreign trade

    Yes

    15: Securing the borders

    Inforce the laws we have.

    16: Space Exploration

    Yes. Top priority.

    17: Man Caused Climate Change

    Not interested in a natural process we can't control.

    18: Campaign Finance laws

    Yes.

    19: Imminent Domain laws

    Nessesary but not in any way for private use. Public only.

    20: Waterboarding

    No.

    21: Constitutional rights for non American captured combatants

    Hell no.

    22: State Soveregnity

    To an extent. Yes.

    23: Tort Reform

    Yes

    24: Social Security Reform

    Big yes. Top priority.

    25: Medicare and Medicaide reform

    Big yes. Top priority.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Interesting,..

    So, what's the 'middle ground' on the following?

    1: Elective Abortion
    2: Gays in the Military
    3: Women in frontline combat
    4: Gay Marriage - Taking religion out of the question
    5: Illegal Imigration
    6: Drug legalization
    7: Public Displays of Religion
    8: School Vouchers
    9: National Health Care
    10: Stem cell Research
    11: The right to keep and bear arms
    12: Premptive Military tactics
    13: Nuclear Energy
    14: Foreign trade
    15: Securing the borders
    16: Space Exploration
    17: Man Caused Climate Change
    18: Campaign Finance laws
    19: Imminent Domain laws
    20: Waterboarding
    21: Constitutional rights for non American captured combatants
    22: State Soveregnity
    23: Tort Reform
    24: Social Security Reform
    25: Medicare and Medicaide reform

    (Sorry for such a short list)
    Great question. I wasn't trying to give the solution, just making a recommendation. Everyone is going to be different on each issue of course.

    But for much of these we can focus on the logical arguments rather than repeating rhetoric that has been spewed from each party. Our government should be made up of INDIVIDUALS who don't automatically subscribe themselves to all ideologies of a party. A middle ground in my mind would mean a party where everyone has different opinions on different issues. There would be no pre-determined party opinions on each issue you listed.

    But I guess that would be called "Independents", haha.

    All I can say is I will not be voting Democrat or Republican come the next election. Or in the very least I will not vote to re-elect our current politicians.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think we need a strong third, fourth, fifth, and sixth party in the U.S. Unfortunately, nothing is ever going to change until we change our voting system. Plurality voting systems naturally tend to a two-party system (Duverger's Law). Change our system to something like Instant Run-off Voting and the chances for other parties to get elected increase dramatically.

    But, then again, there's another problem with our government system. Only one politician can be elected to one congressional district, despite both Democrats, Republicans, and any other third-party members living there. So if a Green congressman gets elected he'll also have to represent the Republicans and Democrats who are constituents in his district. This is the problem with having single-member districts instead of a national proportional system.

    Then again, I rather like districts since it allows local areas to have a say in national politics. It keeps national politics from being controlled by urban areas.

    However, I think instituting IRV would be a great step forward in the right direction.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    More to add...

    I consider myself to be moderate because I personally have conservative and liberal views. It all depends on the issue we're talking about.


    For instance...

    I am personally against abortion, but I believe it should be up to the mother to decide what to do with her body.

    I am in favor of Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and welfare... but I am against people surviving on these programs and am also against the way these programs are currently structured.

    I am in favor of gay marriage but I think a solution that could make everyone happy would be for homosexual couples to call gay "marriage" something else.

    I am in favor of Space Exploration but there are more important things we need to be focusing on right now. There is little out there for us to care about at this point.

    I am in favor of homosexuals in the military and any caught having sexual relations should be treated the same way as a hetero couple would be if they were caught having sexual relations.

    I am in favor of closing off our borders and moving in a direction of integrating the illegal immigrant population into our society, so long as they pay taxes like the rest of us. Mass deportation is simply inhumane.

    I am in favor of health care insurance, but I am also in favor of a public option to force insurance companies to take less of a profit margin.

    WE NEED MORE NUCLEAR ENERGY! Enough said.

    Religion should be a private matter. But religions should be allowed to publicly display their religion. However no religion should be allowed to mock other religions on public property (i.e. Atheists mocking God believers in Washington around Christmas... those people were in my mind just trying to be dicks and get people riled up)

    Stem cell research should be allowed. Anyone who believes Stem cell research only means using aborted fetuses knows nothing about the subject.

    Whether climate change is real or not, we still need to work our way off of oil. The leader in the future automotive industry will be the one to perfect the electric car. And making technology where homes that can run off of their own solar panels will create jobs, increase the GDP and reduce pollution. I don't know about you but I like being able to see the sky during the day.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Its a silly discussion...we HAVE more than a thired party. We have MULTIPLE parties. Most of their platforms make their candidates unelectable.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think we need a strong third, fourth, fifth, and sixth party in the U.S. Unfortunately, nothing is ever going to change until we change our voting system. Plurality voting systems naturally tend to a two-party system (Duverger's Law). Change our system to something like Instant Run-off Voting and the chances for other parties to get elected increase dramatically.

    But, then again, there's another problem with our government system. Only one politician can be elected to one congressional district, despite both Democrats, Republicans, and any other third-party members living there. So if a Green congressman gets elected he'll also have to represent the Republicans and Democrats who are constituents in his district. This is the problem with having single-member districts instead of a national proportional system.

    Then again, I rather like districts since it allows local areas to have a say in national politics. It keeps national politics from being controlled by urban areas.

    However, I think instituting IRV would be a great step forward in the right direction.
    Great idea... unfortunately the only way for every side in every county to have a say would be for there to be much larger government... and we all know how conservatives feel about that.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    I voted "other" in the poll(and thank you for putting that option there, so many don't in their polls). We have third parties in this country, the reason they are not "strong" is because they do not represent the beliefs of very many people. The Libertarian party is the largest of the third parties(note, the Tea and Coffee parties do not count, as they do not have full platforms at this time), and has a membership that is about 1 % of either of the large parties(democratic party ~70 mil, repubs ~50 mil, Libertarians 500k). Just saying we need a strong third party is meaningless until we have one that actually is supported by a large portion of the people of this country.
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