View Poll Results: Do you think we need a Third Party in America?

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    With a plurality voting system, that is whoever gets the most votes wins 100% of the office, a two-party system naturally emerges. This is called Duverger's Law and this happens to prevent spoilers. Basically, the reason why the Democrats take on Green Party issues and why the Republicans take on Libertarian Party issues is so that the Greens and Libertarians won't split the ticket and cause the other major party to win.
    Yeah, That's something that does ruin their chances of winning because people will feel as though voting for a third party (especially in national elections) is throwing away a vote and this is another problem and how other parties continue to lose. By them taking on Libertarian and Green ideas they make people feel as if they're making a safe choice by just voting for either the Democrat or the Republican that's using those issues instead.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    I think its individual people who need to change.For example people who voted for nader in 2000 where made to feel as though they had elected bush when then actually just voted for someone closer to their ideals.Same with Ross Perot.I do realise the system has been manipulated to stop another Perot but thats why the people need to refuse the mandate that is giving to the 2 major parties.
    But the mandate that is giving the 2 major parties is our plurality voting system.

    Let's say we had an IRV system. In the first round, votes would be counted as they were. Since no candidate had a majority, all of Nader's votes would have gone to Gore in the second round. That would have changed history quite a bit.

    That's why I'm in favor of an IRV system. It allows third party candidates to be viable and makes each vote count rather than be a spoiler.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think we need a third party, with our current laws and the way congress is set up, having a third party wouldn't prevent anything from being done. A third party would only hurt the other two depending on what their stances were. What kind of ideology do you think this party should be?
    I dont think the ideology would matter. The other political parties would make adjustments to theirs to accomodate the new one

    For instance lets say a leftist party became the third party and it was taking about 20% of the vote. The democrats would have a couple of options

    1. Try to take back the leftist leaning voters by becoming more left wing, alienating the centrists of America

    2. Or move somewhat to the right to take centrist voters who tend to vote Republican

    If they choose #2 the rebuplicans would most likely move more towards the right to in order to ensure a difference between them and the democratic party
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think we need a third party, with our current laws and the way congress is set up, having a third party wouldn't prevent anything from being done. A third party would only hurt the other two depending on what their stances were. What kind of ideology do you think this party should be?
    I don't vote because there is no one worth voting for, so that is somewhat untrue to say that it takes away from another party.
    They don't own any individuals vote.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    No thanks.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    There really is no reason for only two political parties in the US rather then three.

    Other then the fact Americans dont like losing.
    America being comprised of mostly immigrants (and descendents of immigrants) probably makes us more ideological by nature. This may factor in to why we don't like losing.
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    Cool Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    I voted 'other.'

    In as much as I would like to see a new political party,... I think the ship has sailed on the U.S. to the point that i's more than just the two party system that's the problem. It's also the collective mindset of the American people and the insurmountable debt we are already faced with.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Woops meant to say "no" in the poll. I have a feeling that what ever this third party will be, it will likely have more extreme political leanings, whether in the conservative direction or liberal direction. I am more satisfied with two groups...

    Democrats: Mostly liberal, partially conservative
    Republicans: Mostly conservative, partially liberal

    If I were to root for a third party, they had better be equally conservative and liberal. A more middle of the road party would be the best third option in my mind.

    If the third party leans too far left or right, there will be too many people who do not agree with the direction that party will lead the country.

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    Question Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    If I were to root for a third party, they had better be equally conservative and liberal. A more middle of the road party would be the best third option in my mind.
    Interesting,..

    So, what's the 'middle ground' on the following?

    1: Elective Abortion
    2: Gays in the Military
    3: Women in frontline combat
    4: Gay Marriage
    5: Illegal Imigration
    6: Drug legalization
    7: Public Displays of Religion
    8: School Vouchers
    9: National Health Care
    10: Stem cell Research
    11: The right to keep and bear arms
    12: Premptive Military tactics
    13: Nuclear Energy
    14: Foreign trade
    15: Securing the borders
    16: Space Exploration
    17: Man Caused Climate Change
    18: Campaign Finance laws
    19: Imminent Domain laws
    20: Waterboarding
    21: Constitutional rights for non American captured combatants
    22: State Soveregnity
    23: Tort Reform
    24: Social Security Reform
    25: Medicare and Medicaide reform

    (Sorry for such a short list)

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post

    If I were to root for a third party, they had better be equally conservative and liberal. A more middle of the road party would be the best third option in my mind.
    I could easily go for a third party that is socially liberal (regarding personal freedoms), but fiscally conservative. The reason that probably won't happen is because liberalism in this country necessarily includes social welfare, and this makes it impossible to have a party which embraces personal freedoms along with fiscal sanity.
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