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Thread: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not just about Libertarians have access, I want the Marxists, Prohibitionists, etc parties to have the same access.

    Some may have nutter beliefs but they should get the same chance to find converts on the popular stage.
    Access has to be earned by having others support your positions. Afraid I don't seen anyway around it.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The internet can help out a lot. However, I tend to divorce politics from reasonably free market things such as music and business. Politics is very important and it is necessary for the People to be informed in order to make the best decision they can with their vote. Since the government operates solely on our authority and sovereignty, we must have a way to reasonable control it. And one such way is through third parties.
    As I said, I'm all for third parties that have substantial public support.

    But for that to be possible, we need responsible press to do their jobs to the People and keep us informed in a non-partisan, informative manner on the actions of government.
    Than you will need to build a following larger than a fraction of 1% of the public, otherwise the press is not going to give more than a fraction of 1% of the news coverage.

    And while yes, to replace a party a third party must have sufficient popular support, I don't see how restricting those parties and keeping them from participating helps to further that goal. It is very important that the political process remains open enough to encourage competition for ideas, platforms, and votes.
    It might be helpful to look at how new parties have emerged and changed in the past. I don't know of a single one that did it without substantial public support. The more public support the greater the accessibility to the press.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It might be helpful to look at how new parties have emerged and changed in the past. I don't know of a single one that did it without substantial public support. The more public support the greater the accessibility to the press.
    But you're really just setting up the Catch-22. The more public support the greater the accessibility to the press, but without the greater accessibility to the press it becomes all but impossible to build the greater public support. Listen, I'm not 100% unsympathetic to your arguments. I'm not looking for some law to force Libertarians into office. However, open and fair participation in the political process is an absolute must to the success and longevity of the Republic. It's not proper for the government to dictate which parties we can hear and see and consider valid. The process must remain open to allow for competition and participation so that pressure can continually be exerted on the two main parties. It's a must.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But you're really just setting up the Catch-22. The more public support the greater the accessibility to the press, but without the greater accessibility to the press it becomes all but impossible to build the greater public support. Listen, I'm not 100% unsympathetic to your arguments. I'm not looking for some law to force Libertarians into office. However, open and fair participation in the political process is an absolute must to the success and longevity of the Republic. It's not proper for the government to dictate which parties we can hear and see and consider valid. The process must remain open to allow for competition and participation so that pressure can continually be exerted on the two main parties. It's a must.
    I'm all for that. I just don't see that many hurdles that are not self-made.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But you're really just setting up the Catch-22. The more public support the greater the accessibility to the press, but without the greater accessibility to the press it becomes all but impossible to build the greater public support.
    You don't have to have just the press. You build up slowly. You can't expect to be a national, winning party in just a few years. It takes time and work - as it should.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You don't have to have just the press. You build up slowly. You can't expect to be a national, winning party in just a few years. It takes time and work - as it should.
    I'm not trying to set the situation so that is true. I understand that parties need to be able to prove themselves and increase membership and votes in order to win national elections. I just want the system open enough so that parties can have the opportunity to prove themselves.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not trying to set the situation so that is true. I understand that parties need to be able to prove themselves and increase membership and votes in order to win national elections. I just want the system open enough so that parties can have the opportunity to prove themselves.
    So, how would you do that?

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So, how would you do that?
    Parties that have existed continually for some period of time with a minimum amount of membership should get access to presidential or any other debates.
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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Start winning state elections if you want to participate. You don't get to be a rock star if your music is not popular! Sorry, that is just the reality of the world.
    Heck, just start winning local elections. "All politics are local." It's good to run national candidates, but it's city elections that make the laws that most directly affect people. Get voted to the school boards and get voted to the city councils and that's how third-party politicians can get elected and make names for themselves for higher levels of office.

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    Re: What do you think of a Third Party in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you ask MOST people, they espouse libertarian ideals and values. So why cant the libertarians get people elected? Hell...we even have one avowed socialist in congress that caucuses with the democrats.
    Hell no! A SOCIALIST! I hear the pillars of the Republic starting to fall.
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