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Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous grounds

Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    Votes: 48 59.3%

  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    Votes: 11 13.6%

  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    Votes: 14 17.3%

  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 6 7.4%
  • Total voters
    81
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Ikari said:
Their business, their rules.
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Exactly!

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In an ideal world where the government was actually limited to the powers delegated to it in the constitution, an owner of a business should have the absolute right to serve or not serve whom he pleases. If someone is a bigot and that causes him to go out of business so be it. ON the other hand, if he increases his business by banning homosexuals, then that would be a clearly sound reason to engage in such exclusion.

No how many times I read the federal constitution and all the documents generated by those who ratified it, I cannot find any legitimate power for the federal government to tell a hotel owner that he has to serve this or that group
 
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For the most part, I feel like a private business should be allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason. However, there are a couple situations I can see which are a bit more murky.

Something like a bed and breakfast should probably have to tell you if they have a rule against gays or something when you book the room. You shouldn't be allowed to tell someone 'yes, we'll serve you' and then later go back on your word and turn them away. Especially if you're running a place like a bed and breakfast where someone may be a long way from home and needs a place to sleep that night. So in this case, yes, the bed and breakfast should have the right to turn them away, but they should have to do it when the room is booked. Once it's booked I feel like they should have to honor that.

The only other case where I can see it being an issue is if the business provides a vital service, and it's the only one in the area. Let's say you lived in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere with only 1 grocery store. If that store refused to let you shop there, you'd be in some serious trouble.
 
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Depends on whether or not the B&B is a legal one or not. Meaning they applied for and received the business license, whether it has been incorporated

In Canada they would not be allowed to refuse gay couples on religous grounds as sexual orientation is protected in the Can Charter of Rights. Just as Jews or Blacks would be.

Now as for the rights of the business owner, they have rights, but their business does not. As individuals they do not have to accept homosexuals staying in their home, but the minute they turned it into a business open to the public, they lost that right
 
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digsbe said:
I think they have a right to refuse them service if they don't want homosexuals there for religious reasons. However, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate in all cases. They shouldn't be allowed to deny blacks or whites or anyone else service based on race.
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Bigotry is not acceptable on racist grounds but is on religious ones? That may be true in America, but in the UK it is illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of their race creed age, gender, or sexual orientation. In this case,

" The Sexual Orientation Regulations 2007 make it unlawful for a person providing goods, facilities or services to members of the public to directly or indirectly discriminate (or victimise) on the grounds of sexual orientation in the provision or non-provision of such goods, facilities or services, or the terms upon which they are offered. This is regardless of whether or not the goods, facilities or services are provided free of charge. This covers a wide range of public and private services, including important areas such as healthcare, insurance, and the provision of hotel or holiday accommodation. .. "
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Bigotry is not acceptable on racist grounds but is on religious ones? That may be true in America, but in the UK it is illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of their race creed age, gender, or sexual orientation. In this case,

" The Sexual Orientation Regulations 2007 make it unlawful for a person providing goods, facilities or services to members of the public to directly or indirectly discriminate (or victimise) on the grounds of sexual orientation in the provision or non-provision of such goods, facilities or services, or the terms upon which they are offered. This is regardless of whether or not the goods, facilities or services are provided free of charge. This covers a wide range of public and private services, including important areas such as healthcare, insurance, and the provision of hotel or holiday accommodation. .. "
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Sexual orientation is a practice, not a physical and uncontrollable trait. If people don't want a homosexual couple having sex in their bed and breakfast than they can refuse them service. Homosexuals are not a race or creed, but a group who prefer the same gender sexually. It isn't equal to race, religion, or even age. It would be the same as saying you don't want to have someone who is a porn addict staying at your bed and breakfast.
 
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digsbe said:
Sexual orientation is a practice, not a physical and uncontrollable trait. If people don't want a homosexual couple having sex in their bed and breakfast than they can refuse them service. Homosexuals are not a race or creed, but a group who prefer the same gender sexually. It isn't equal to race, religion, or even age. It would be the same as saying you don't want to have someone who is a porn addict staying at your bed and breakfast.
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Religion is a choice, far more so then homosexuality

You can choose tommorow to stop being christian and become a hindu.
 
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digsbe said:
Sexual orientation is a practice, not a physical and uncontrollable trait. If people don't want a homosexual couple having sex in their bed and breakfast than they can refuse them service. Homosexuals are not a race or creed, but a group who prefer the same gender sexually. It isn't equal to race, religion, or even age. It would be the same as saying you don't want to have someone who is a porn addict staying at your bed and breakfast.
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I agree. They *should* be able to discriminate against people who choose to practice heterosexuality.
 
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They should be allowed to refuse anyone they want for whatever reason they want. Why should I be required to take people into my home?
 
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gtown25nick said:
They should be allowed to refuse anyone they want for whatever reason they want. Why should I be required to take people into my home?
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Because it is not your home anymore if you turned it into bed and breakast
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Because it is not your home anymore if you turned it into bed and breakast
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If your name is on the mortgage, then I'd say it's your home.
 
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gtown25nick said:
If your name is on the mortgage, then I'd say it's your home.
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Not if it is a legal business. And most banks I believe would revoke the mortgage of a private residence if they new it was turned into a commercial enterprise like a B&B

Meaning you would be required to get a commercial mortgage
 
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TheGirlNextDoor said:
Exactly!

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So you are ok with restaurants refusing to serve black people, right?

Afterall...their business...their rules.
 
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disneydude said:
that's rare.....
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But...up there you can look down on the peasants, and laugh at their antics...So why not charge more?
 
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The Mark said:
But...up there you can look down on the peasants, and laugh at their antics...So why not charge more?
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and you can throw popcorn at them....
 
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disneydude said:
and you can throw popcorn at them....
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Ah yes, I forgot about that.

:mrgreen:
 
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The Mark said:
Ah yes, I forgot about that.

:mrgreen:
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I only know that because me and my friends used to sit in the balcony and try to hit people with popcorn on the main floor. It was childish...but hey...we were children.
 
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Ikari said:
That may be the context of the law, but I don't agree with it. Private property is private property and thus the property owners can decide. If they don't want to serve certain folk, I believe it is well within their rights as owner of the property to set that rule.
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In the U.S. it's against the law. It's called discrimination. It may be private property but, it's a business that caters to the public. The public of all colors, genders, sexual orientations, etc.
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
This is in England where a Christian B&B owner refused a homosexual couple accommodation. Should this be allowed or not? For those of you who haven't visited the UK, B&Bs are much more common over there and American style motels are rare. Many, many homeowners supplement their incomes by operating B&Bs in their homes.

Should they be forced to take in gay couples if it is against their religious beliefs?

Gay couple turned away from B&B by Christian owners | World news | The Guardian
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If that is the case, the owner and her husband are going to be paying some fines.
 
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I wonder how long it will take for a "Million Gay Man March" to be started in Washington and to finally halt bigot's ability to limit gay rights and for homosexuals to truly be free in America.

Do people not learn from history? It's like dejavu...
 
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Jucon said:
I wonder how long it will take for a "Million Gay Man March" to be started in Washington and to finally halt bigot's ability to limit gay rights and for homosexuals to truly be free in America.

Do people not learn from history? It's like dejavu...
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This was in UK actually...
 
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ADK_Forever said:
In the U.S. it's against the law. It's called discrimination. It may be private property but, it's a business that caters to the public. The public of all colors, genders, sexual orientations, etc.
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I know what the law is. The question was not about the law. It was about what we thought it should be. And it's not straight up discrimination. It's discrimination against a "protected class". Not all discrimination is illegal.
 
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No they are not allowed, I could have sworn UK has laws against this? I suggest the BB owners prepare for a fine or being sued by the couple.
 
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Laila said:
No they are not allowed, I could have sworn UK has laws against this? I suggest the BB owners prepare for a fine or being sued by the couple.
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The question is, what do YOU think the law should be. The poll is to find out what the people here think the law should be regarding this specific scenario.
 
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