View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    19 17.43%
  • Other, please explain

    6 5.50%
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Thread: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous grounds

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Can he advertise the fact? Can he say, "I won't sell this property to blacks/gays/racists/etc.?"
    No, of course not. I said that earlier. That would correctly be seen as ill mannered, racist/homophobic/xenophobic etc
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    In the UK you can sell your property to whoever you want. I assumed because we are tighter in business terms that the US would also allow that.

    I am sorry my ignorance of the US laws has raised your wrath.
    He does seem a bit angry, doesn't he? I wonder if he's trying to purchase some property...

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    No, of course not. I said that earlier. That would correctly be seen as ill mannered, racist/homophobic/xenophobic etc
    Okay, then my previous question stands. What if, instead of not selling to gays, he chose not to sell to KKK members?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Okay, then my previous question stands. What if, instead of not selling to gays, he chose not to sell to KKK members?
    Well we don't have the KKK here. Our worst in the EDL - English Defence League closely followed by the British Nationalist Party.

    I am not sure that either of these organisations come into any of the categories under which we legislate for equal opportunities.

    In any event the only reason to make a point is to bring attention to it. With minorities that is discrimination and we don't allow it.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    He does seem a bit angry, doesn't he? I wonder if he's trying to purchase some property...
    I don't think I agree with your ideas but you did make me laugh.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Well we don't have the KKK here. Our worst in the EDL - English Defence League closely followed by the British Nationalist Party.

    I am not sure that either of these organisations come into any of the categories under which we legislate for equal opportunities.

    In any event the only reason to make a point is to bring attention to it. With minorities that is discrimination and we don't allow it.
    I understand what the law is. I'm just trying to ascertain what the philosophical or moral basis of your position is. An individual owns their property just as they own themselves, to me, that means they may dispense of it in a manner they see fit. Do you agree?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    I understand what the law is. I'm just trying to ascertain what the philosophical or moral basis of your position is. An individual owns their property just as they own themselves, to me, that means they may dispense of it in a manner they see fit. Do you agree?
    Yes and no.

    Here in Scotland you have to spend a lot of money getting ready to buy somewhere and you are up against others in blind bidding anyway so if someone lets you go through all that and had no intention of selling to you, they have wasted your time and money.

    Yes, as a seller I want to have that right.

    Thing is, I do. I just don't have the right to insult people and encourage discrimination at the same time.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    I hope that if any of you try to limit your businesses in this way in Pennsylvania, that you will contact me when you get sued and/or arrested. This could be quite profitable for me!

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I hope that if any of you try to limit your businesses in this way in Pennsylvania, that you will contact me when you get sued and/or arrested. This could be quite profitable for me!
    Why the hell would we want to do that?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I hope that if any of you try to limit your businesses in this way in Pennsylvania, that you will contact me when you get sued and/or arrested. This could be quite profitable for me!
    You should chill. I have no interest in discriminating against anyone but of course as an owner people want to feel they can decide whether or not to sell to people.

    I have known people to feel so emotional about their property they have sold to the person they like best rather than the person with the most money.

    Nothing to do with wanting to discriminate.
    George Monboit "Neoliberalism is inherently incompatible with democracy, as people will always rebel against the austerity and fiscal tyranny it prescribes. Something has to give, and it must be the people. This is the true road to serfdom: disinventing democracy on behalf of the elite."

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