View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

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Thread: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous grounds

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yes, Rivrrat, we have been all around the houses with this one. I didn't convince you (how could anyone?) and you certainly didn't convince me.

    If you want to sail the same waters over and over again, go right ahead. There may be a new generation of thread posters who haven't heard your labyrithine, 'libertarian' reasoning before. Knock yourself out.
    Until someone comes up with a legitimate reason why people shouldn't be allowed to discriminate on their own property, I WILL continue to do so.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Until someone comes up with a legitimate reason why people shouldn't be allowed to discriminate on their own property, I WILL continue to do so.
    Good for you! You go grrrl!
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Talking about private property, not the government.

    So yes, if a private bus company wants to make white people sit at the back of the bus, they should be allowed to do so. And if a business establishment wants to have separate water fountains for blondes and redheads and brunettes, they should be allowed to do so.
    I am so glad that your vision of a "perfect America" is only shared by a few extreme libertarians and racists.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Has nothing to do with running the business.
    What is the title of the thread?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I am so glad that your vision of a "perfect America" is only shared by a few extreme libertarians and racists.
    Has nothing to do with race.

    Has everything to do with personal property rights. And yes, in my perfect America, a person can do as they wish with their private property. It's too bad so many people feel that the government's job is to control everyone, down to who they are forced to allow onto their own ****ing property.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    What is the title of the thread?
    What's that got to do with anything?

    The reason a person should be allowed to discriminate on their own property has nothing to do with business profit motive.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What's that got to do with anything?

    The reason a person should be allowed to discriminate on their own property has nothing to do with business profit motive.
    There is a considerable difference between a private place (as in your home, a club, your personal land) and public places that are "open to the public".

    You may correct me if i am wrong, but the title of this thread was not, "should a homeowner be allowed to refuse gay couples on religious grounds"
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    There is a considerable difference between a private place (as in your home, a club, your personal land) and public places that are "open to the public".

    You may correct me if i am wrong, but the title of this thread was not, "should a homeowner be allowed to refuse gay couples on religious grounds"
    Is that property owned by an individual or not? It is private property. It is THEIR property. It is THEIR business. The property and everything on it belongs to them. They choose to open it to the public they wish to allow onto their property. It should not be 'all or nothing'. The property is theirs, whether there is a business on it or not. So why should they lose the right to disallow whomever they wish just because they're making money off of the property?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Is that property owned by an individual or not? It is private property. It is THEIR property. It is THEIR business. The property and everything on it belongs to them.
    Why can they deny people entry after hours of operation? Same premise; it functions as a business. In fact, legally you are able to throw out blacks, jews, gays, whites, asians, women, etc... if you can legally justify their presence as hindering your profitability.

    So with that in mind, my comment is rather consistent (financially speaking and legally) while your again resides on the premise of, "i do what i want".

    They choose to open it to the public they wish to allow onto their property. It should not be 'all or nothing'. The property is theirs, whether there is a business on it or not. So why should they lose the right to disallow whomever they wish just because they're making money off of the property?
    They are opening their property in a commercial manner. But alas you get it. They are perfectly free in their right to make it a "club" with "strict admittance requirements".
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Why can they deny people entry after hours of operation? Same premise; it functions as a business. In fact, legally you are able to throw out blacks, jews, gays, whites, asians, women, etc... if you can legally justify their presence as hindering your profitability.
    If it's done on the premise of race, religion, sexual orientation, ect .... no, you cannot.

    So with that in mind, you comment is consistantly incorrect a quite likely to land you in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    They are opening their property in a commercial manner. But alas you get it. They are perfectly free in their right to make it a "club" with "strict admittance requirements".
    WRONG.

    They CANNOT make rules which disallow membership based on race, color, religion, or sexual orientation. That is a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1963.

    You are mistaken.

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