View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    19 17.43%
  • Other, please explain

    6 5.50%
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Thread: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous grounds

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    1. The owner of the property DOES NOT have the right to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
    Why not? Does he own the property or not?

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Why not? Does he own the property or not?
    WTF? Have you been reading this thread or not? We've dealt with the whole private-public-commercial property issue. Always best to read a thread before one-lining something that's been dealt with already.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    WTF? Have you been reading this thread or not? We've dealt with the whole private-public-commercial property issue. Always best to read a thread before one-lining something that's been dealt with already.
    No, it was never 'dealt with' at all. No one sufficiently explained why someone loses property rights when they open a business on their private property.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, it was never 'dealt with' at all. No one sufficiently explained why someone loses property rights when they open a business on their private property.
    because its law, they open their business to the public and as such should obey the laws in place, whether those laws are right or wrong is subjective and irrelevant.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    because its law, they open their business to the public and as such should obey the laws in place, whether those laws are right or wrong is subjective and irrelevant.
    No, actually what we were discussing is that the laws should be changed. So, the fact that it's illegal is irrelevant. It should NOT be illegal and no one has given sufficient reason why it should be illegal other than "people shouldn't be allowed to be big meanies"

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, actually what we were discussing is that the laws should be changed. So, the fact that it's illegal is irrelevant. It should NOT be illegal and no one has given sufficient reason why it should be illegal other than "people shouldn't be allowed to be big meanies"
    Lacking the freedom to do something that has zero hindrance on your ability to properly and freely run your business in a profit orientated manner does not matter to anyone who is busy running a business.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, actually what we were discussing is that the laws should be changed. So, the fact that it's illegal is irrelevant. It should NOT be illegal and no one has given sufficient reason why it should be illegal other than "people shouldn't be allowed to be big meanies"
    Right.

    Just like when the government tried to tell all those people that they had to allow black people to sit in the front of the bus and use the same water cooler. I mean, just because the Constitution says no discrimination doesn't mean we should obey it!

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Lacking the freedom to do something that has zero hindrance on your ability to properly and freely run your business in a profit orientated manner does not matter to anyone who is busy running a business.
    Has nothing to do with running the business.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Right.

    Just like when the government tried to tell all those people that they had to allow black people to sit in the front of the bus and use the same water cooler. I mean, just because the Constitution says no discrimination doesn't mean we should obey it!
    Talking about private property, not the government.

    So yes, if a private bus company wants to make white people sit at the back of the bus, they should be allowed to do so. And if a business establishment wants to have separate water fountains for blondes and redheads and brunettes, they should be allowed to do so.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Talking about private property, not the government.

    So yes, if a private bus company wants to make white people sit at the back of the bus, they should be allowed to do so. And if a business establishment wants to have separate water fountains for blondes and redheads and brunettes, they should be allowed to do so.
    Yes, Rivrrat, we have been all around the houses with this one. I didn't convince you (how could anyone?) and you certainly didn't convince me.

    If you want to sail the same waters over and over again, go right ahead. There may be a new generation of thread posters who haven't heard your labyrithine, 'libertarian' reasoning before. Knock yourself out.
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