View Poll Results: Should B&B owners be allowed to refuse gay couples?

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  • Yes, they should be allowed to refuse anyone for any reason

    65 59.63%
  • The should be allowed to refuse if it violates their religious beliefs

    3 2.75%
  • They should be fined for discriminating against gays

    16 14.68%
  • They should lose their B&B license for discriminating against gays

    19 17.43%
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really?

    so if you are a hot chick it is wrong to turn down the advances of some fat drunken slob who tries to pick you up at a bar--that is discrimination

    is it wrong for Yale or Amherst to turn down applicants with a 2.0 average and bottom 25% SAT scores? that is discrimination


    is it wrong for Coach K to offer Duke basketball scholarships to only HS all-Americans or "blue chip" rated recruits rather than slow short guys who cannot dribble?

    we discriminate all the time and the government should not be in a position of forcing someone to serve someone else

    it might be wrong, it might be stupid, it might even be bigoted but it should not be illegal
    Wrong.

    Discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal. Republicans need to realize their religious beliefs are NOT the law.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Wrong.

    Discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal. Republicans need to realize their religious beliefs are NOT the law.
    I for one don't observe the political topics under the light of identity groups.

    I suggest you try alternative ways of viewing the world.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If he is willing to lose business based on his personal beliefs that doesnt make him an idiot but a man of conviction.
    I say it makes him a man of idiotic convictions.

    But I will still admit that it would just be a waste of time to prosecute him. Just don't patronize his business - it can only hurt him.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Wrong.

    Discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal. Republicans need to realize their religious beliefs are NOT the law.
    I am a civil rights and employment discrimination attorney, I have tried dozens of discrimination cases and sexual orientation is not a grounds under Title VII. That is why the military can boot gays. There are reasons for such discrimination above and beyond religion (I am agnostic I don't buy into gays being sinners btw)

    And while I understand the law I do not agree with it. I believe owners of a business should be able to discriminate without being punished by federal law because I do not believe Title VII is a valid exercise of the powers properly delegated to Congress by the Constitution



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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    I think if someone wants to open a gay bed and breakfast and deny straight couples, that's ok too.

    If I sank a LOT of money into a business, like a B&B, I think I would have every right to target the market of my choice. Be it gays, straights, bikers, Furries, Wiccans, Catholics, or whatever.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I think if someone wants to open a gay bed and breakfast and deny straight couples, that's ok too.

    If I sank a LOT of money into a business, like a B&B, I think I would have every right to target the market of my choice. Be it gays, straights, bikers, Furries, Wiccans, Catholics, or whatever.
    There's a big difference between targeting a business at a particular market and discriminating against law-abiding, prospective customers.

    Of course you know that the case this thread is discussing is not subject to US, but to UK law. There it IS an offence to discriminate on grounds of sexual orientation. That's a law that protects heterosexuals who may wish to stay in a gay-run BnB too. I've stayed in gay-run BnBs in Blackpool and Brighton where straight guests were welcomed, actually made rather a fuss of.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    I say it makes him a man of idiotic convictions.
    And if he thinks he has the right to ignore the law, it will definitely make him a man who has convictions.

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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's a big difference between targeting a business at a particular market and discriminating against law-abiding, prospective customers.

    Of course you know that the case this thread is discussing is not subject to US, but to UK law. There it IS an offence to discriminate on grounds of sexual orientation. That's a law that protects heterosexuals who may wish to stay in a gay-run BnB too. I've stayed in gay-run BnBs in Blackpool and Brighton where straight guests were welcomed, actually made rather a fuss of.
    Yes they know, I have pointed it out - they just put more importance on the right to be rude and prejudiced than on equal rights - hark at Turtle Dude boasting about how the military can boot out gays.

    They do not see such things as problems.

    Despite it having zero to do with their law, they are unable to resist stating their preferences.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Wrong.

    Discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal. Republicans need to realize their religious beliefs are NOT the law.
    Who said anything about Republicans or religious beliefs?

    Your prejudice is showing.

    I am positive that there is at least one person out there who is:
    1. Not at all religious.
    2. A Democrat.
    3. Discriminates against persons based upon their sexual orientation.


    That said, I was under the impression that it is NOT illegal in the US to discriminate all you want IF your business receives NO public funds (as in, government grants, etc.).
    Bad for business, yes, but not illegal.

    Perhaps someone with the knowledge can correct me, if I am incorrect in this.
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    Re: Should a Bed and Breakfast Owner be allowed to refuse Gay couples on religous gro

    A Bed and breakfast should have some duty of care to its customers.
    They cannot really let them get to their establishment then eject them because of their sexuality.
    They should have asked the question when they booked.


    I'd like to book a double bedroom please
    Certainly sir..are you gay?
    What?
    Are you gay Sir?
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